O/T DDay for Brexit..well sort of...

[Exiletyke]

No.

Yes

[KerrAvon]

That's not the point. Why be so passionate about how awful it is to be subject to eu standards and laws when you were perfectly happy with them when voting Remain?

Surely better to say 'on balance I am happy to be subject to eu laws on balance of a tariff free trading arrangement that benefits UK industry but I am happy to respect the referendum result and support Johnston' s deal'. Instead, you're arguing as you a Brexiteer despite having voted against them. Weird.

I'm passionate about not being subjected to laws over which I have no prospect of exercising any democratic control. I thought that pretty clear from my posts.

You and Labour are happy to allow us to be subject to laws over which we will have no democratic control. That's fine, but I don't agree with you and won't, no matter how you dress it up.

[Exiletyke]

No there isn't anything in the deal about the erosion of worker's rights. It merely provides that the UK Parliament will take back responsibility for legislating on that area of law when we leave the EU and no longer send
MEPs to Brussels and Strasbourg.

I think you miss the point
Skinner recognises I think the chances of a Labour gov't in the forseeable future as being slim
which leaves the fate of workers rights firmly in the hands of the Tories in future thus Dennis choosing the best of the two evils

[KerrAvon]

I think you miss the point
Skinner recognises I think the chances of a Labour gov't in the forseeable future as being slim
which leaves the fate of workers rights firmly in the hands of the Tories in future thus Dennis choosing the best of the two evils

I think Skinner is wrong for the reasons that I have explained, lover.

As we move forward there will undoubtedly be periods of Tory government and periods of Labour government as determined by the votes of the British people.

A party that delivered just six days of paid leave per year as Raging fears, would face the judgement of the electorate on that. That's how democracy works.

[WanChaiMiller]

No there isn't anything in the deal about the erosion of worker's rights. It merely provides that the UK Parliament will take back responsibility for legislating on that area of law when we leave the EU and no longer send
MEPs to Brussels and Strasbourg.

I know that. Just teasing Animal (if he reads it).

[WanChaiMiller]

I guess Skinner is voting it down to force a GE.

[Exiletyke]

I think Skinner is wrong for the reasons that I have explained, lover.

As we move forward there will undoubtedly be periods of Tory government and periods of Labour government as determined by the votes of the British people.

A party that delivered just six days of paid leave per year as Raging fears, would face the judgement of the electorate on that. That's how democracy works.

You miss the point

[KerrAvon]

I guess Skinner is voting it down to force a GE.

The risk is that it will force a no deal.

As the official opposition, Labour can move a motion of no confidence whenever they want to.

[KerrAvon]

I'm passionate about not being subjected to laws over which I have no prospect of exercising any democratic control. I thought that pretty clear from my posts.

You and Labour are happy to allow us to be subject to laws over which we will have no democratic control. That's fine, but I don't agree with you and won't, no matter how you dress it up.

Let me put it this way for you Raging: I think that current Labour economic policies would cause a huge outflow of capital and jobs from this country. Applying your logic, should I be pressing for us to allow the EU (or perhaps the German government) to set the fiscal policy for this country after we have left?

[ragingpup]

I'm passionate about not being subjected to laws over which I have no prospect of exercising any democratic control. I thought that pretty clear from my posts.

You and Labour are happy to allow us to be subject to laws over which we will have no democratic control. That's fine, but I don't agree with you and won't, no matter how you dress it up.

Yet you were perfectly happy with this arrangement in 2016 when you voted Remain? What changed? I think you can't be just respecting the vote as that doesn't change your happiness with accepting eu laws etc in 2016. You appear to have done a complete u turn in passionately arguing as a Brexiteer. Why? MM Peer pressure I suggest? :-)