O/T - general election 2019

[ragingpup]

If they asked that question, a lot of people would reply 'Jeremy Corbyn', but they were blocked by the wider Labour membership when they tried to do something about that.

Maybe Corbyn will go if Labour fail to win, but he will probably be replaced by a member of Momentum's clone army, which will still leave the party out in the cold.

Only done one session in Chingford so far and yep a few are not getting beyond the Corbyn name but more than that are angry that he isn’t supporting Remain, or that he didn’t support the referendum earlier. I would imagine that voters in Rotherham are saying the opposite!

I think Corbyn will go, and the best time for that would have been 12 months ago. But I disagree that the replacement will be a Momentum replicant! Most labour members who will vote, certainly those who I know (which is quite a lot) are quite happy for a more moderate candidate such as Starmer or Philips if they keep the broad thrust of a genuinely transformational manifesto, although I fear they have over reached on this occasion. A more moderate leader, if than can be a unifier, can take it back a little, but also with added plus of having less historical baggage and being more of a likable figurehead.

That said, I fear that whoever comes forward, even moderate will, come next election, will receive the ‘Red Ed’ treatment and we will start the usual dance again. Out of interest, was Red Ed too Red for you in 2015?

(You still haven't said what you think is best to be done in order to raise more money for improved services and social care. How would you go about it personally?)

[Silly-miller]

The problem with Labour is the better Labour MP’s are on the backbenches, and they’re still celebrating losing the 2017 Election.
They need a reality check and ought to go door knocking and ask Joe Public why they’re not prepared to vote Labour.

I agree with you on this mate the front bench on labour is a ****ing joke all of them remainers and not one pro brexit supporter how can they negotiate a deal. If labour really believes in putting it to people (which I’m against) they need mps like Sarah champion, Caroline flint and graham stringer.

I know people will say it’s not just about who’s on front bench but it really is they are the one driving the bus the other mps are the passengers who come along for the ride

[ragingpup]

Only one way to get out of the EU prison and that is to back Boris's deal.No other party wants to back the democratic will of the people and more delay would mean more uncertainty and huge risk of jobs.By trying to offer billions to entice the voters their credibility to govern is losing support.People know, you cannot throw money away like that.We owe it to our kids and grandkids,they would never forgive us if we failed to deliver.

Really surprised to hear you say this Bill. I thought you’d be behind Farage’s observation that the deal Boris has negotiated is effectively May’s deal with the border moved to the North Sea. In fact, I believe that pretty much the same WA was offered by the EU to May who rejected it. Why is it good enough for you now as opposed to continuing with the BP?

[WanChaiMiller]

Only one way to get out of the EU prison and that is to back Boris's deal.No other party wants to back the democratic will of the people and more delay would mean more uncertainty and huge risk of jobs.By trying to offer billions to entice the voters their credibility to govern is losing support.People know, you cannot throw money away like that.We owe it to our kids and grandkids,they would never forgive us if we failed to deliver.

Mays deal that Boris voted against twice.

[Exiletyke]

I agree with you on this mate the front bench on labour is a ****ing joke all of them remainers and not one pro brexit supporter how can they negotiate a deal. If labour really believes in putting it to people (which I’m against) they need mps like Sarah champion, Caroline flint and graham stringer.

I know people will say it’s not just about who’s on front bench but it really is they are the one driving the bus the other mps are the passengers who come along for the ride

How many leavers were on Mays front bench? Just remind me

[Silly-miller]

How many leavers were on Mays front bench? Just remind me

If I remember right I think they was 3 or 4 at start then they quit in protest on mays deal leaving all remainers.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

If I remember right I think they was 3 or 4 at start then they quit in protest on mays deal leaving all remainers.

Including the Chancellor who continued to say they were working to a leave deal whilst simultaneously issuing fire warnings about doing so.

Fortunately events later showed his true colours.

Regarding the election though is there anybody after years of dithering, broken promises, and general disgust of politicians of all colours, that's not yet decided who they will vote for ( if at all)?

[Godsend.F.C.]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...funding/25/11/

Dire warning from the IFS for social care in the future.

[Exiletyke]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/bu...funding/25/11/

Dire warning from the IFS for social care in the future.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies is deeply unimpressed at what it deemed a “lack of significant policy action” in the Conservative Party manifesto.

The Tory social care crisis for Britain’s elderly and infirm that Johnson had promised to fix when he became PM did not even get a mention in the manifesto. Johnson had previously claimed that he had a plan ready to sort it out.

The IFS concluded that the manifesto plans meant people expecting relief for Britain’s public services after a decade of austerity would instead see “cuts to their day-to-day budgets of the last decade baked in.”

Economic researchers at the independent think tank calculated that the National Insurance threshold rise to £9,500 that Boris Johnson appeared to have lied or been mistaken about will actually only save most in paid work “less than £2 a week” and highlighted the “notable omission” for any plan to deal with the crisis in social care funding.

Nigel Edwards, chief executive at the Nuffield Trust, an independent health think tank, said he was “bitterly disappointed” to see “unnecessary delay” in tackling the issue of social care.

IFS director Paul Johnson said: “If a single Budget had contained all these tax and spending proposals, we would have been calling it modest.

“As a blueprint for five years in government, the lack of significant policy action is remarkable.”

Perhaps Kerr could give us his spin on this

[Silly-miller]

Including the Chancellor who continued to say they were working to a leave deal whilst simultaneously issuing fire warnings about doing so.

Fortunately events later showed his true colours.

Regarding the election though is there anybody after years of dithering, broken promises, and general disgust of politicians of all colours, that's not yet decided who they will vote for ( if at all)?

If I remember right ledsom gove Johnson and rabb all got positions on front bench then they quit and other useless sods took their places.

I can’t see me ever voting for a Tory and this Labour Party doesn’t represent me in any shape or form democratically or policy wise.

It’s ether brexit party or staying at home for me mate at the moment I’m looking at the latter, because I still think idiots will vote for comrade corbyn Labour Party, funny enough this same party are saying they want another referendum because most who voted brexit have died. Most of which have voted labour all their life.