O/T - general election 2019

[animallittle3]

Animal I think Johnson will sell out to eu he may get his trade deal with eu on a free trade only but I’m betting he will sacrifice the fishing industry to get it. That’s my prediction

The point I'm trying to make is that Johnson has positioned himself as the the Brexit Utopian and there's very little else he's prepared to divulge to the electorate .

I've never subscribed to the leaving of the EU to be any other than an extremely difficult time , to say the least .

As a historic Labour man my position isn't great given that Corbyn chooses not to adopt any position at all .

I'm one of the 6m who who want to leave the EU but have always voted Labour , nobody seems to acknowledge us within the movement .

The truth is I despise the Tories and the EU and it's left me with no vote at the GE .

However I'll be fecked as a proud working class bloke to allow Johnson to suck people in with his unaccountable Brexit Utopia without at least an opinion .

[animallittle3]

No it shouldn’t be driven by the EU question, but that should have been sorted years ago and we are only having an election because of the desire of some to overturn the result of a democratic referendum.

There are some plus points though. Some politicians have been exposed as the liars they are and the Labour Party has been exposed as being London centric using the northern voters as mug votes.

There's many points there that I wouldn't disagree with Gist .

[KerrAvon]

But presumably you accept that notion of a Brexit utopia or you wouldn't have voted for it?

Or do you accept that it is going to be a bit **** (particularly for lower income people who can I'll afford to deal with price rises), but don't care?

[Silly-miller]

I'm one of the 6m who who want to leave the EU but have always voted Labour , nobody seems to acknowledge us within the movement

However I'll be fecked as a proud working class bloke to allow Johnson to suck people in with his unaccountable Brexit Utopia without at least an opinion .

No I completely get you my dads always voted labour and I’ve voted labour 3 out of 5 times myself I voted labour last time because I thought labour would honour The referendum and do a better job. Instead they ignore us and spit on us who voted them in hoping the elderly labour Brexiteer voters will die off.

The issue is who’s going to best voice your opinion? Only you can answer that mate

As for me I can’t vote labour the guy in mine and grists area is a hard core remainer the only voice he listens to is his own

[Silly-miller]

But presumably you accept that notion of a Brexit utopia or you wouldn't have voted for it?

Or do you accept that it is going to be a bit **** (particularly for lower income people who can I'll afford to deal with price rises), but don't care?

What do you base that on Kerr ? Price rises?

I think prices have been rising for years even before brexit eu company’s have got a monopoly on our markets at least with other trade deals competition will be introduced and prices will be lower because they will be competing for our business.

That’s how I see it

[animallittle3]

No I completely get you my dads always voted labour and I’ve voted labour 3 out of 5 times myself I voted labour last time because I thought labour would honour The referendum and do a better job. Instead they ignore us and spit on us who voted them in hoping the elderly labour Brexiteer voters will die off.

The issue is who’s going to best voice your opinion? Only you can answer that mate

As for me I can’t vote labour the guy in mine and grists area is a hard core remainer the only voice he listens to is his own

Again Johnson promises Brexit and I don't doubt that he will get us out especially if he wins a majority .

The next question he avoids like the plague , what happens next ?

Corbyn is happy to duck the issue and let the people decide which isn't any kind of leadership at all .

Johnson is also guilty of the very same thing but avoids the scrutiny .

Two cheeks to the same ass here but both are actually lacking in moral fibre here but in different ways .

My own view is that long term the working man is better out of the EU than in it , long term is the operative word .

I don't have any control on how long this process will take , none what so ever .

I can only base the hard times on my own life experience , for 12 months in the mid 80's I didn't have any money to feed myself or contribute to my new born son or pay my bills .

I've gone through more recessions than you can shake a stick at and faced redundancy 3 times .

I'm not sure how that reconciles today .

[great_fire]

We only have a democracy as long as we vote for things the bankers approve of, Brexit does not fall into that category.

And only three approved parties to vote for.

I suppose it could be worse, the Americans only have the choice of two.

[WanChaiMiller]

Johnson will always have the edge over Corbyn on Brexit but on the country as a whole over the last 9 years Johnson hasn't a leg to stand on and he knows it .

Which clearly reflects the yougov poll .

It's also not clear what the Tories position is much past the first 12 months of government if they are elected that is .

Everything in the manifesto seems to be about the first year and fails to take in to account the fact that a governments lifespan is 5 years .

Now this should be of concern to the Johnson has this brexit game under control clan because the manifesto doesn't actually endorse that .

The fact is Johnson doesn't know what's down the road only that he will " Get Brexit Done " .

I'll tell you here and now he's either going to have to sell out to the EU to get his free trade deal or the Americans are going to be all over us and in a position to dictate the terms of any future trade deal with our historic partner .... cough !!!

There's little wonder he doesn't want to be scrutinised .

Ive been saying this all along Animal. The northern woking class has sided with milionaire Tories and will be the ultimate losers. Theyve been conned.

Johnson is relying totally on the Brexit vote and does not need to give a flying sh*t about the people. They are so confident they didnt even feel the need to produce a proper manifesto or run a decent campaign.

We will all be the losers; short to medium term for sure. The recovery will depend on the depth of the initial damage. I remember the damage caused by Thatcher in the early 80s - we are still feeling the effects now. I dont share the prognosis the problems for our younger generation is caused by the EU or the vision that long term this generation will be better off out of the EU. Although, no doubt, some will prosper by us leaving.

[howdydoo]

Starting to panic howdy?

Reyt panicking me Roly. 😂 it’s all gone tits up. If you think 600 odd, self serving pantomime artists are going to change things, I’ve got news for you.

They’re not.

Left or right.

[WanChaiMiller]

Kerr - re Labour tax.

The truth is each company will take an individual opinion. There is no rule covering all. Its a balance of the tax increase over cost of relocation and shipping back into your domestic market. If you manufacture its a much bigger consideration. Obviously some companies are more fluid than others.

The far bigger consideration (and we've had this conversation before) is location (to your market, your historical roots and trained workforce).

We've seen it with non EU multi-nationals locating into the EU. If tax was the major driver they'd all be in Ireland.