O/T - general election 2019

[Godsend.F.C.]

Yep Thatcherism mark 2 here we go boys hold tight! They were happy years for ordinary folk...

You may be better off waiting for the Queens speech and the first Budget before commenting.

[ragingpup]

Roly the only one with nasty views is you, get your lips off Emily thornbrys ass and wake up labour have become a snobbish left wing London elitist party who refuses to listen to people.

I said 364 and I was bang on only people who have been brainwashed like you from many years of labour media can’t see it.

Don’t blame voters blame the party and the fools who don’t make a stand against the elite in labour

I can only speak for myself in the days I went out for Labour in my area and Chingford Silly but the few hundred who were out we're normal working people, health care workers, teachers, admins. We work in teams and I didn't meet one socialist worker type at all. the idea that these grass roots people are in any way 'elite' is so far wide of the mark.

However, it is true that the problem of a party where the vast majority pushed the leadership towards hard remain was in huge conflict with the Labour leave voters in the heartlands. Of course that gives the impression of those voters not being listened to. They are right to make their feelings known on this, but from within the party, and hearing the huge push both within the party, and from other constituencies that have large Labour Remain votes, the damage was I think inevitable.

We have to regroup, let the Tories continue with their usual agenda, and let their approach take it's further course on our communities. And then aim to swing back at the next opportunity.

[KerrAvon]

We are waking up to significantly different Britain today. Brexit has won the day and Johnson and Rees Moggs ERG have a free reign to shape our future.

I'm disappointed by the outcome of the election (and also hung over), but am in the bizarre position where just about any result would have disappointed me given the poor choice that the electorate were offered.

The only silver lining that I can take out of the result is that the size of Johnson’s majority means that he will not be beholden to the right of the Tory party and the likes of the ERG and can practice his instinctive ‘one nation’ Toryism.

I’m also disappointed by the poor grace with which the Tory victory has been met by some posters (in much the same way that I found the triumphalism of Gove’s warm up act this morning distasteful). The arguments were aired before the country and the country elected a Tory government.

Labour would have walked this election had they gone into it offering significant increases in public spending as opposed to an endless confetti of spending promises, being honest about where the money was coming from, not promising ideologically driven nationalisations and with a leader who does not have a history of friendliness with terrorists organisations a record of inaction on antisemitism and of ambivalence towards NATO and our relationship with America, but they didn’t.

[ragingpup]

I wouldn't bank on it Pup. That big majority will give him the opportunity to put pressure on Michel Barnier and the EU. The UK is now in a stronger bargaining position. My concern would be if they can't compromise and we walk away at the end of 2020 with no deal.

Hindsight says Labour ought to have gone with the Theresa May deal and gone for an earlier election.
They've made a complete bollox up of Brexit.
No one to represent northern voters that voted leave.
You reap what you sow.

Good points Frank. Hope it is a good deal for trade and jobs overall

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Abandon the northern voter at your peril.

[ragingpup]

I'm disappointed by the outcome of the election (and also hung over), but am in the bizarre position where just about any result would have disappointed me given the poor choice that the electorate were offered.

The only silver lining that I can take out of the result is that the size of Johnson’s majority means that he will not be beholden to the right of the Tory party and the likes of the ERG and can practice his instinctive ‘one nation’ Toryism.

I’m also disappointed by the poor grace with which the Tory victory has been met by some posters (in much the same way that I found the triumphalism of Gove’s warm up act this morning distasteful). The arguments were aired before the country and the country elected a Tory government.

Labour would have walked this election had they gone into it offering significant increases in public spending as opposed to an endless confetti of spending promises, being honest about where the money was coming from, not promising ideologically driven nationalisations and with a leader who does not have a history of friendliness with terrorists organisations a record of inaction on antisemitism and of ambivalence towards NATO and our relationship with America, but they didn’t.

Fair post also.

Just one question occurs. Where would the money for significant increases in public services come from, to an extent that we could raise enough to be significantly useful?

[wendun]

Thanks Monts. Don't acknowledge the fact that I wanted Corbyn to stand down over a year ago, said that Labour had over readched with their policy promises and conceded that the Tories have played a blinder in nullifying the BP vote. I kind of agreed with you that I voted Labour as the only alternative to the totries, and at least my own constituency with centrist MP was retained. I hope a serious review leads to a different way and we get a leader that can unite the party. I'm still a member as well as Green, so I'll be voting for a uniting figure.

Good progress from the Green Party by the way with getting close to 1 million votes despite huge tactical voting, so quite pleased with that.

Apologies, raging, for lumping you in. Not fair. But coming on here this morning, disappointed (as you know my hope was to severely limit the size of BJ's victory), angry with the Labour leadership I first hear Lavery saying Corbyn and the manifesto were popular and only Brexit to blame and then read Tweedle's nasty rubbish about "class traitors" and deluded "gullible" voters and fired both barrels. You were collateral damage which I regret. No hard feelings I hope.

[wendun]

Fair post also

It is a very good post from Kerr and I agree with it. The Augean Stables at Labour HQ need a good clear out but I doubt it will happen.

[millertop]

And I thought you said you were voting labour Monty? The master of bull shyte and you say I should crawl off. The only person who is ruining this site is you with your moronic personas and nasty views.

Roly you really need to take a good look at yourself before you preach to others.
Yes I know I’m wasting my time so that is all I’m saying

[ragingpup]

Apologies, raging, for lumping you in. Not fair. But coming on here this morning, disappointed (as you know my hope was to severely limit the size of BJ's victory), angry with the Labour leadership I first hear Lavery saying Corbyn and the manifesto were popular and only Brexit to blame and then read Tweedle's nasty rubbish about "class traitors" and deluded "gullible" voters and fired both barrels. You were collateral damage which I regret. No hard feelings I hope.

I don't hold hard feelings against anyone on here. Life's too short!