O/T Coronavirus Thread

[KerrAvon]

I've got it wrong silly me. Its up to 4 months not 3 months...

I think the government do have some blame to take here. No they didn't have any responsibilty for this particular virus but we have had out breaks of these bugs before and it was only a matter of time before we would get one that wasn't so easy to control a 6 year old would suspect that but no preparations have been put in place for such an outcome. Its the usual: botch up feckin Britain and its a disgrace. Always reactive and never proactive. Its the same with the environment. Flood defences start coming up when its too late. No fecker does owt about global warming...

The article that I linked to earlier suggest that the UK has made preparations, but I appreciate that it won’t suit your political prejudices.

What preparation would you like to have been made? A pandemic was always predictable, but the not the timing or nature of it. For Covid19, we need ventilators, but would you have thought it a good use of limited resources to have warehouses full of them getting dusty just on the off chance? I suppose we could have done, but they would have been of no value if the pandemic turned out to be a haemorrhagic fever like Ebola or a virus that killed by triggering a ‘cytokine storm’ like the 1918 Spanish Flu.


To answer a point that you made to Cayton, of course the problem of pandemic is unavoidable.

[KerrAvon]

The virus has claimed 368 lives in Italy in the last 24 hours .

That's a very scary fact .

I'm of the opinion we are all going to lose someone who we know to this virus .

Extremely worrying situation .

It is. People who think there are easy answers that are being missed don't understand the problem.

[Shark27]

I despair too.

The opposition parties have largely managed to restrain themselves, but that cannot be said for some of their supporters. It is so sad to see you and others making political points on this, Roly.

If you don’t like the proposal from the government for the over 70s, what would your solution be? I agree with you that it is going to be incredibly hard for anyone to self-isolate in the manner that is suggested, but what do you see as the alternative?

I’m sure that you have picked up that this disease is killing the elderly (I understand that the mortality rate goes into double figures for the over 80s and that the average age of the dead in Italy is 81), but even when the illness does not kill, its effect upon the elderly means that it is far more likely that older people will need critical care. In other words, failing to take measures to reduce the infection rate in the elderly risks the NHS being overwhelmed more quickly and deeply than it will be. That won’t just have an impact upon other Covid19 patients as people will continue to need critical care for the ‘usual’ heart attacks and car accidents etc. So if older people follow your rather selfish argument and decline to self-isolate, they may well be responsible for the deaths of others, if not their own.

100% agree. The government are acting on advice from the scientists employed to do their jobs in this country. They are going on what they have been told by the experts. These same experts would have been giving the same advice to Corbyn.

[rolymiller]

Welcome back Mr Kerr long time no see...

[KerrAvon]

Corona virus news ... 232 new cases, 14 more UK deaths today - still accelerating.

Worse in all aspects than Japan now, and although Germany has far more cases, it also has far less deaths.
Are they following a different strategy? Did seem to be quicker to introduce a "lockdown", which could have had a positive effect.

Germany is not following a significant lockdown policy yet. Their strategy is similar to ours.

But what do you think a lockdown will achieve? China and South Korea have achieved a degree of control with lockdowns that represent a major interference with individual freedoms (of the type that Roly says he would not comply with). That’s all well and good, but the virus is still there and so lockdown is like pressing on the brake pedal of a car that is freewheeling down a hill. It’s possible to slow it down or even bring it to a halt, but as soon as you lift the lockdown, the brakes come off and down we go.

Edit: A bit of info about Germany. Merkel seems to be getting the same stick that BoJo is:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...erkel-12527596

[KerrAvon]

Welcome back Mr Kerr long time no see...

You managed to annoy me, Roly. That's a first, by the way.

[rolymiller]

Moi? Never...

Actually I'm more interested in your take on the footy season. What gives the least legal headaches do you reckon. A null and void season or a season ended now and promotion and relegation more or less as it stands?

[KerrAvon]

Moi? Never...

Actually I'm more interested in your take on the footy season. What gives the least legal headaches do you reckon. A null and void season or a season ended now and promotion and relegation more or less as it stands?

No idea, Roly.

I don't think the season will start again (and I was really looking forward to Wycombe – reasonably convenient for me and I like the ground and supporters). If we settle on current league positions, where would that leave the play off placed teams?

I wonder if there is something in the EFL rules that sets out the position? If not, I think the outbreak would amount to a force majeure in contract law, which would mean that nobody would be in a position to sue.

[rolymiller]

What do you say about the over 70s who have no underlying medical conditions Kerr? Why can't they be treated like everyone else?Imagine a fit and healthy 70 odd year old who has always looked after themselves. By nature I would imagine very active. What would a 4 month incarceration do to their physical and mental health?

[millavanilla]

The one thing about this bug is that it effects all classes . In saying that poor countries with poor health systems will probably get hammered, And yet some little tribe in the Amazon jungle will probably be blissfully unaware of all this and will be fine. Good for them is what I say. Just sort of shows if we had a bug which wiped the human race out these are the human beings who would get the human rece going again. Whether we would learn of the mistakes we have made and not co ck up again is another matter.

You wouldnt say good for them if you arrived unannounced...a couple of oxo's and jobs a good un..
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