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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    Whilst I don't doubt our doctors and nurses will do a fantastic job. They're doing it with their hands held behind their back.

    I want the Tories to get this right from hereon. But their underfunding of the NHS in the last 10 years has been nothing short of criminal.

    We have 43,000 fewer nurses and 17,000 fewer hospital beds than in 2010.

    Per 1000 people, for number of hospital beds by country in the world, we are 35th. Italy are 25th. France are 10th. Germany are 4th. I would say that gives those countries a much greater advantage of their health service 'holding up' in the next 3 months..

    I would direct your ire towards the Tories and their chronic funding record in the last decade rather than the EU for any unnecessary deaths.
    You are of course correct there are fewer beds in the NHS compared to 2010 which is nothing for the Tories to be proud of even with the excuse of having to pick up the economic mess left by Labour.

    So let's look at what Labour did in the years of plenty 2000-2010.

    Number of beds

    Labour

    2000 241,000
    2010 183,000

    Tories

    2010-183,00
    2017-167,00

    So like I said nothing to be proud of but you could say in tough times they have at least slowed down the rate of decrease.

    Over to you 123

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9goals2hattricks3pen View Post
    You are of course correct there are fewer beds in the NHS compared to 2010 which is nothing for the Tories to be proud of even with the excuse of having to pick up the economic mess left by Labour.

    So let's look at what Labour did in the years of plenty 2000-2010.

    Number of beds

    Labour

    2000 241,000
    2010 183,000

    Tories

    2010-183,00
    2017-167,00

    So like I said nothing to be proud of but you could say in tough times they have at least slowed down the rate of decrease.

    Over to you 123
    Interesting stats. And completely accurate. You learn something every day, so thank you for this info.

    What the Tories have done since 2010 and New Labour did from 1997 was increase hospital beds in some sectors of healthcare such as critical and acute care, and reduce them in others such as mental health.

    I still standby the view that Labour under Tony Blair was fantastic for the NHS. And the NHS would be better prepared under a Labour Government.

    This is a bit of info from the below source;
    https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project...oney-spent-nhs

    "By 2008/9 NHS spending had increased by a factor of 2.9 compared to 1997. NHS spending (in cash terms) increased from £33.5 billion in 1997/8 to £76.4 billion in 2005/6 and is expected to have reached £96.4 billion for the financial year 2008/9"

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    The past is just that, past. Best that we all look to the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    Interesting stats. And completely accurate. You learn something every day, so thank you for this info.

    What the Tories have done since 2010 and New Labour did from 1997 was increase hospital beds in some sectors of healthcare such as critical and acute care, and reduce them in others such as mental health.

    I still standby the view that Labour under Tony Blair was fantastic for the NHS. And the NHS would be better prepared under a Labour Government.

    This is a bit of info from the below source;
    https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project...oney-spent-nhs

    "By 2008/9 NHS spending had increased by a factor of 2.9 compared to 1997. NHS spending (in cash terms) increased from £33.5 billion in 1997/8 to £76.4 billion in 2005/6 and is expected to have reached £96.4 billion for the financial year 2008/9"
    Obviously this is imo but if we have had, or in the near future were going to have a Labour govt then the finances of the Nation would be in such a perilous state that we simply wouldn't be able to afford to properly fund the NHS. And that applies to every other aspect of British life.

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