O/T Prince Charles Tests Positive

[Trickytreesreds]

This comparison with wartime is tiresome and irrelevant! We are not fighting a war, we are dealing with a virus and whislt the more excitable media types may have used the overhyped comparison, in reality the scenarios are totally different!

Plus we are in a different world from World war 2 when society basically did what those in power told them and mostly believed it. I can't believe you actually said "the truth gets inconveniently in the way" of people understanding? Thankfully these days most people can understand the facts if communicated to them correctly!

As for ****ing martians ye gods I despair!

How has his lies and cackhanded handling of this crisis stopped panic? In fact its done the opposite looking at what has happened.

Oh well I guess if your happy with a liar and buffoon as leader, then no doubt you will be happy with the mismanagement and wont complain at the adverse effects of such a idiot being in charge of the country!

Oh and on leadership, how come it took the government over a week after the Germans had done it to organise flights to repatriate Uk citizens abroad? In some cases German authorities were actually providing help and assistance to UK citizens, when none was forthcoming from the UK government. Talk about piss up brewery couldn't organise one and yet the apologists still come forward.

Truly in the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king!

Sorry,but it is relevent and it is a war!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-frontline


When I mentioned the war(no not in an Uncle Albert way), I was on about mistakes made with planning and preperation.
People all over the world were caught with their pants down.
being caught with your pants down, doesn't mean you lost.
All the best laid plans in the world can never cover every contingency.

Where do you want to start? Every situation had fore warning, information of growing storm clouds. Information of intent.
Plans were made, how ever they fell well short of a prevention of impending doom.

Poland 1939
Ardennes 1939
Pearl Harbour 1941
Operation Barbarossa, after a non aggression pact 1941
Falklands 1982

Shall I go on?
History is riddled with non preperation in many forms, from military to financial.
No I'm not defending Johnson/Tories like a blind servent.
He's made mistakes and will make many more if I'm honest. But exactly who else do you propose may be doing a better job?
All I see is point scoring. By all means criticise, but seeing as this effects everyone. Perhaps, the phrase "can we help?" may be be more apt.

I'm not getting into a personal slagging match with you Swale, you hate Johnson/Tories. I get it.
I voted for them and stand by it, compared to what was on offer. Until something better comes along, I will continue to do so.

[ramAnag]

Sorry,but it is relevent and it is a war!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-frontline


When I mentioned the war(no not in an Uncle Albert way), I was on about mistakes made with planning and preperation.
People all over the world were caught with their pants down.
being caught with your pants down, doesn't mean you lost.
All the best laid plans in the world can never cover every contingency.

Where do you want to start? Every situation had fore warning, information of growing storm clouds. Information of intent.
Plans were made, how ever they fell well short of a prevention of impending doom.

Poland 1939
Ardennes 1939
Pearl Harbour 1941
Operation Barbarossa, after a non aggression pact 1941
Falklands 1982

Shall I go on?
History is riddled with non preperation in many forms, from military to financial.
No I'm not defending Johnson/Tories like a blind servent.
He's made mistakes and will make many more if I'm honest. But exactly who else do you propose may be doing a better job?
All I see is point scoring. By all means criticise, but seeing as this effects everyone. Perhaps, the phrase "can we help?" may be be more apt.

I'm not getting into a personal slagging match with you Swale, you hate Johnson/Tories. I get it.
I voted for them and stand by it, compared to what was on offer. Until something better comes along, I will continue to do so.

I’m pleased you don’t want to get into a slanging match, me neither...but you really don’t ‘get it’.

1) My reaction to what is going on has nothing to do with my dislike of many Tory policies. I was indeed disappointed with the results of the last election and, by consequence, the Brexit debate but they are irrelevant to this.
I suspect Swale feels much the same, but we’re not some sort of ‘double act’ and I don’t speak for him. You might also remember that last year, when Brexit appeared to be the most menacing thing on the horizon, I freely admitted that certain Tories were doing a better job of opposing Brexit than the totally confused Labour Party.

2) Okay...there are similarities to wartime in so much as there are food shortages, queues at shops, schools closing or partially closing, limits upon personal freedoms and factories being put to alternative use. That, I accept, is reminiscent of war time/general strike/fuel shortage etc.
Beyond that it is, imo, completely different. Far from there being a need for secrecy and covert alliance this is a time when World leaders need to act together.
There is a common enemy but it is an enemy of all humanity not one of individual nations and leaders presented by other nations and leaders.

Certain individuals apart, and I know you won’t like it but Merkel springs to mind, our World leaders have failed to cover themselves in glory so far.
The Chinese screwed up, before possibly displaying the required urgency, Trump has acted in a way more fitting of a Ben Elton novel and Johnson, imo, has - as has been outlined in many ways elsewhere on here - been contradictory (no pun intended) and ineffective.
Even today a combination of Trump (again), Putin and the Saudis have managed to send the price of oil spiralling which is really going to help.

In short Tricky...this is a Global crisis...so where’s the ‘kin leadership?

[swaledale]

Sorry,but it is relevent and it is a war!!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...irus-frontline


When I mentioned the war(no not in an Uncle Albert way), I was on about mistakes made with planning and preperation.
People all over the world were caught with their pants down.
being caught with your pants down, doesn't mean you lost.
All the best laid plans in the world can never cover every contingency.

Where do you want to start? Every situation had fore warning, information of growing storm clouds. Information of intent.
Plans were made, how ever they fell well short of a prevention of impending doom.

Poland 1939
Ardennes 1939
Pearl Harbour 1941
Operation Barbarossa, after a non aggression pact 1941
Falklands 1982

Shall I go on?
History is riddled with non preperation in many forms, from military to financial.
No I'm not defending Johnson/Tories like a blind servent.
He's made mistakes and will make many more if I'm honest. But exactly who else do you propose may be doing a better job?
All I see is point scoring. By all means criticise, but seeing as this effects everyone. Perhaps, the phrase "can we help?" may be be more apt.

I'm not getting into a personal slagging match with you Swale, you hate Johnson/Tories. I get it.
I voted for them and stand by it, compared to what was on offer. Until something better comes along, I will continue to do so.

Theres no point in having a slanging match with someone who essentially admits acting like a Turkey voting for Christmas because that was the best option! Mind you even when I try reasoned debate, its pointless because you either don't respond or evade the points raised anyway.

For your information I don't hate Johnson or the Tories - I wouldn't ever vote Tory even though I'm pretty sure that their policies would benefit me personally (indeed Brexit as I've said before has provided an unexpected financial windfall just when I was winding down) because I know that they wont create anything like the society I would wish to live in.

Indeed the current crisis is demonstrating graphically how the previous Tory policies have damaged this country. How they made the poorest sectors of society pay for the mistakes of the rich and bankers.

Funnily enough immigration seems not to be a hot topic (unless its that futile call to close borders ban air travel) as people realise 1 in 8 people in the health service are immigrants!!