O/T Keir Starmer elected leader...

[Geoff Parkstone]

Corbyn's ideals have been his for decades, regardless of advisers, experts or whatever. Johnson is "just obeying the orders" - he has the Nuremburg defence!

Twas not I that stated lowest point in history - my reference was to lowest point in party history. RA hyperbolised it!

My point about London centric millionaire is in reference to the much made claim that if Labour wants to get back its North and Midlands heartlands, it needs to be led by someone that those voters can relate to. No doubting his credentials but will the man in the northern street relate to him? I don't know. He obviously appeals to the well heeled older person in the East Midlands! But then so did Edwina Currie

[swaledale]

Corbyn's ideals have been his for decades, regardless of advisers, experts or whatever. Johnson is "just obeying the orders" - he has the Nuremburg defence!

Twas not I that stated lowest point in history - my reference was to lowest point in party history. RA hyperbolised it!

My point about London centric millionaire is in reference to the much made claim that if Labour wants to get back its North and Midlands heartlands, it needs to be led by someone that those voters can relate to. No doubting his credentials but will the man in the northern street relate to him? I don't know. He obviously appeals to the well heeled older person in the East Midlands! But then so did Edwina Currie

You really believe the bull**** that they are all his ideas? That there wasn't a cabal of special advisors and policy wonks developing policies? That seems a wee bit naive to me, no one person has command of everything, sure Corbyns main principles have been his for decades, though I would be wary of believing everything that a right wing funded media says about him, probabely half if that is actually accurate, given that they describe anyone who is left of centre as a marxist! But whatever, its a moot point now anyway.

Well no I meant your reference to Labour party history, they do have the lowest number of seats since 1935, but I beleive that history goes back further than that!

Oh I understand the nonsense that has been written and said about London centric, but lets see where is Johnson based? Oh and is he wealthy? Public school educated? never had a "proper job" Mm hasn't seem to have affected his election performance - neither did being a proven lair, waffler, chancer, a breaker of promises and a habit of wasting tax payers money on hare brained vanity schemes so I'm not worried on that score.

As for this mythical man on the northern street, who is this guy? Other than some lazy media stereotype.

But again if the proles voted for Johnson, can't really see the issue with voting for Starmer, provided of course that he engages with them which he will.