O/T Boris moved to intensive care

[flourbasher]

He's trying to save capitalism not promote socialism .

The whole country would collapse if they hadn't have done .

Same as Brown and Darling did following the financial collapse in 2008 .

The big question isn't what they've done but rather who pays the bill for all these measures down the road .

Some of us ?

All of us ?

That is how this government will be judged or should I say should be judged .

He certainly needed to do something but the support he's provided is vast and far reaching.
He could have scaled it back perhaps by offering interest free loans to businesses or applying means testing (Tottenham Hotspur , I'm now talking about you).
He could have said the support package is free for the first month but anything after that is a loan.

But he hasn't and it's very generous.

In answer to who will pay I suspect it will be the next generations to come similar to the war loans from the USA.
So ironically any babies born during this pandemic will be making contributions in their future working careers to pay for it.

[animallittle3]

HI John. I hope that you are keeping well.

I think that the issue may be that I actually give a **** about the Labour Party and a leftist party that is worth voting for.

When I’m reduced to the level of raging, who thinks that I should celebrate that Starmer has only managed to include one representative of the idiot Left into his cabinet (he clearly hasn’t checked out Afzal Khan – Shadow Deputy Leader of the Commons), I’m sure that I will sign up for membership and join in the chorus of making excuses for a party that ought to be at the forefront of confronting prejudice and promoting equality, but spends a good deal of time doing exactly the opposite.

I want an alternative to an untrustworthy liar of a PM. I think I was one of many people who wanted one on December 12th. I suspect that I am not alone in being disappointed by Starmer too.

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

[CAMiller]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

Sounds like Alan Stubbs' plan for the Millers. Hope Kenny Jackett is waiting in the wings to bail them out

[gm_gm]

Can you name some of this 'spread' with evidence of their racism and bigotry?

Bonus points if you can get anyone to top the Picaninnies and bum boys quotes from your leader

Apparently, there’s 30,000 plus posts...just type rasicts left wing w@nkers toss pot feckers and you should score

[ragingpup]

Apparently, there’s 30,000 plus posts...just type rasicts left wing w@nkers toss pot feckers and you should score

Were talking mps in the Labour shadow cabinet, as well you know. In the general membership /public there are as many extreme left wingers as there are extreme right wingers so that's a mute point. Although I think the right has possibly expanded somewhat since 2015.

So who are these racist/bigoted Labour mps in the current cabinet of which you speak?

[ragingpup]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

Interesting analogy but I agree with the broad thrust. As some geezer from navara media (is that how you spell it?), this labour cabinet is about as left wing as it will get, and I suspect more changes will come along soon. So nil desperandum Kerr. Hang in there!

[animallittle3]

Interesting analogy but I agree with the broad thrust. As some geezer from navara media (is that how you spell it?), this labour cabinet is about as left wing as it will get, and I suspect more changes will come along soon. So nil desperandum Kerr. Hang in there!

He's had the job one week and time is something the Labour Party have .

The Tories will have held power for 14 years by the time the next election comes around and now face the biggest economic crisis since the 1930's .

Right out of ideas and money doesn't generally fit well with winning elections .

However the Tories falling on their sword isn't good enough for me , Labour have also to prove to the electorate that they are worthy of government .

Let's be clear , attacking the wealth isn't going to take you to Downing Street I'm sure that much we do know , soon as you start talking about taxing the wealth more robustly you are politically dead in the water in the UK in my opinion .

This tragedy which is upon us offers opportunity to define the kind of society we want to live in .

The role of the state is back in the game but they also have to convince the electorate that it comes in on budget .

I've yet to talk to a floating voter who thinks Labour is particularly good with money , yes I know the Tories have borrowed more but mud sticks and you have to live with what you have .

Blair found a way by reaching out to wealth and more or less said in so many words " you've nothing to fear from us " .

I see Starmer has his own column now in The Times and The Evening Standard , it's a start .

You don't have to court the wealth vote just simply not have them against you in campaign mode is good enough .

With those shutting the feck up you have then a reasonable opportunity to reconcile the middle class and heartlands vote .

With the middle class banner headline readers with nothing to go on you've half a chance , the heartlands require a union jack waistcoat on and a bit of national pride instead of trying to be something to all sorts and ending up pyssing the core vote off .

Ain't going to work around here with the natives with this global shyte , many are tory voters now so get in the game .

Yeh it's brutal and many in the party won't like the direction of travel and that goes for the left and centre .

The alternative is the opposition benches .

[KerrAvon]

The way I see it is that if you put this in footballing terms the Labour Party have just fallen from the heights of the PL and just got relegated from the championship with a record low points total .

Keir Starmer is the new Head Coach hired to take the party back to the PL .

The owner and CEO have given him a 4 year contract and have promised to give him the length of that contract to deliver PL football .

He's walked in to a mess in his first pre season and he's made changes to improve the quality of the squad .

It's early days but its a marathon not a sprint , mistakes will be made with the squad but some cream will come to the top as well .

I'd expect the squad to be up to PL standard around 12 to 18 months before the next election and there will be successors and bumps in the road to come but as long as we have the right quality in when it really matters the most in 3 years time we can live with it .

Sound like a plan ?

I don't buy that. When a new manager moves into a club, he will be largely stuck with the squad that he inherits as it takes time to move contracted players out. Starmer had a clean piece of paper when he started to assemble his shadow cabinet; he didn't have to appoint Naz Sha, Afzal Khan or any other member of the 'I didn't read it before I tweeted it' brigade.

Starmer had the opportunity to end the nonsense, draw a line under the insanity of the last few years and return the Labour Party to a point where it is functioning opposition and fit for government. It’s clear that his desire for ‘unity’ has trumped that. I wonder how many people would have voted for him if he had been clear that he included anti-Semites and nut jobs amongst those he wanted unity with?

[mikemiller]

I don't buy that. When a new manager moves into a club, he will be largely stuck with the squad that he inherits as it takes time to move contracted players out. Starmer had a clean piece of paper when he started to assemble his shadow cabinet; he didn't have to appoint Naz Sha, Afzal Khan or any other member of the 'I didn't read it before I tweeted it' brigade.

Starmer had the opportunity to end the nonsense, draw a line under the insanity of the last few years and return the Labour Party to a point where it is functioning opposition and fit for government. It’s clear that his desire for ‘unity’ has trumped that. I wonder how many people would have voted for him if he had been clear that he included anti-Semites and nut jobs amongst those he wanted unity with?

You are the "nut job", and someone who is uncritical of the Tory party and who will not voting Labour anyway. Rather obsessed for a "neutral", don't you think?

[Brin]

Is Boris still in intensive care? This thread has gone so far of cue I can't seem to find an update on Bo Jo.

Then again, it's gone all 'political again' and the points scoring exercise is in full swing.......I'll leave you all to it.

Happy Easter Sunday everyone, and as Sergeant Phil Esterhaus use to say in Hill Street Blues....'Let's be careful out there'