The Corona Virus

[Balanbam00]

Sinkov : Perhaps to discuss economics I am the last person ,but here are some other ''shout outs ''

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"Sarkar's theory is far superior to Adam Smith's or that of Karl Marx."
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"P. R: Sarkar, in his own way, is more than the equal of the great historian Arnold Toynbee. Sarkar not only illuminated the growth and inevitable decline that comes from the capitalist stage in societal evolution, but offers wise counsel on what to do instead."
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[1959_60]

I hear what you are saying Balam, but human nature dictates how companies act.

The overwhelming majority of companies will always put their profit well in front of acting for the good of mankind.

And the same applies at a national level too.

And with the best will in the world, and although I agree with the premise of what you say, the reality is that most people, companies and nations will always look after their own interests.

Sad but true.

[Norder]

Hi Nodor!

You now seem to be saying that coronavirus is real and is a real threat.

But you now appear to be saying that it was introduced by the WHO in order for the pharmaceutical companies to sell more stuff and make more profit?

Is that your current position?
I'm not being judgmental or saying that you are wrong, but if that is your stance then I am a long way off being convinced.

I can categorically state - 59'....that Ernst Wolff - is not me and neither I him.




to me - he's just offering his position - and would doubt that he's out to persuade people - their decision, take it or leave it.....As with his mention of private sector funding of WHO...I heard it as, a "cui bono"....question, their top funder (next to the usa ?) being the Bill/Melinda Gates Foundation, then I think it's the UK...with the Gavi, Vaccine Alliance coming close behind.

I reckon 59', your ready and waiting...with sleeve rolled up !

[1959_60]

I can categorically state - 59'....that Ernst Wolff - is not me and neither I him.




to me - he's just offering his position - and would doubt that he's out to persuade people - their decision, take it or leave it.....As with his mention of private sector funding of WHO...I heard it as, a "cui bono"....question, their top funder (next to the usa ?) being the Bill/Melinda Gates Foundation, then I think it's the UK...with the Gavi, Vaccine Alliance coming close behind.

I reckon 59', your ready and waiting...with sleeve rolled up !

It's a massive call Norder!

And he's right, whoever comes up with the vaccine will make £££.

But until I see the actual evidence I won't believe it.

And remember, there is no need for a Big Pharma to be connected to the WHO to do this. An evil company could introduce the virus and then have a ready made vaccine for it without the WHO being involved at all.

[Norder]

It's a massive call Norder!

And he's right, whoever comes up with the vaccine will make £££.
But until I see the actual evidence I won't believe it.

And remember, there is no need for a Big Pharma to be connected to the WHO to do this. An evil company could introduce the virus and then have a ready made vaccine for it without the WHO being involved at all.

there isn't - but if you can get a seat at the table of the "foremost " authority to parade your stuff - it'd go a long way in gaining peoples "trust".




“The (Gates) foundation’s impact on the WHO is enormous,” said Garrett, of the Council on Foreign Relations. “If they weren’t there, if they walked away with their money, the deleterious impact would be profound, and everyone is all too aware of that.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/bill...werful-doctor/

[sinkov]

The overwhelming majority of companies will always put their profit well in front of acting for the good of mankind.

Will they indeed ??

Co-op, The 6,500 pupils at 25 Co-op Academy schools who receive free school meals are being given a £20 weekly voucher while schools remain shut.

Timpson, The retail chain, which provides shoe repair, dry cleaning and key-cutting services, says it will keep its 5,500 employees on full pay while its shops remain closed.

Whitbread, The owner of the Premier Inn chain and restaurants including Beefeater and Brewers Fayre is putting some employees on a temporary furlough while its sites remain closed. But it will keep them on full pay by topping up the extra 20% of their wages not covered by the government scheme. Whitbread says it is in discussions with the government about providing rooms in its hotels, located near hospitals, to key workers.

Leon, The restaurant chain is keeping certain branches open to NHS employees and other key workers, and providing takeaway and delivery meals to NHS workers with a 50% discount. It is also bringing together other restaurants, food distributors and suppliers to deliver free daily hot meals to NHS critical care staff.

Pret a Manger, Before the chain was ordered to close, it was offering free hot drinks and a 50% discount on all other purchases for all NHS workers.

Lloyds, Britain’s biggest high street bank said it had granted mortgage holidays to over 70,000 customers in just over a week. The lender also confirmed that it would waive interest on arranged overdrafts up to £300 for all customers across its Lloyds, Halifax and Bank of Scotland branches from 6 April.

HSBC, The UK division donated £1m to the National Emergencies Trust Coronavirus Appeal and British Red Cross to help support vulnerable people affected by Covid-19.

Unilever, The company behind brands including Dove and Knorr is contributing €100m (£89m) globally to fight the pandemic, including €50m (£47m) worth of soap, sanitiser, bleach and food. The London-headquartered firm is adapting manufacturing lines to produce sanitiser for use in institutions such as hospitals. It has also pledged to pay its small- and medium-sized suppliers early to help their cashflow.

Jingye, The Chinese company, which recently bought British Steel, sent a private jet filled with medical and protective equipment to the company’s S****horpe steelworks. A private jet owned by Jingye landed at Doncaster Sheffield airport containing equipment including face masks, goggles, thermometers and medical gloves, destined for workers at the S****horpe blast furnace steelworks and the nearby hospital.

McCarthy & Stone, The company, the biggest builder of retirement properties in the UK, has offered government and local authorities more than 300 newly completed apartments in unoccupied developments to house older people recovering from Covid-19 or NHS key workers.

Brompton Bicycles, The folding bicycle maker is providing 200 bikes to hire, free of charge, to NHS key workers.

NCP, The parking company extended its offer of free parking to NHS workers to all key workers.

And that is just a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I've been thinking...

The majority of us fellow global citizens and Clarets Madders are all currently fairly powerless as we watch countries across the globe retreat into xenophobic, survival mode; the result of in all probability, a “manufactured” global pandemic.

The cause of this panic is still to be established, but it seems unlikely that “Mother Nature” has decided to release upon the globe a virus so devastating the old-world order is in a state of collapse.

Conspiracy theories abound, but the often-reviled President of the United States, Donald Trump seems to have nailed it with the vivid description of COVID-19 as being the “China Virus”. Since the out-break of the Corona virus in Wuhan, it is reported around 3,500 Chinese citizens have died as a direct consequence of the virus. Wild animals consumed by human beings from the Wuhan “wet market” or the Wuhan chemical warfare research laboratory are presumed to be the likeliest sources of this pandemic.

Time will tell, but as of 12th April 2020 there are approximately 102,500 fatalities from COVID-19 across the globe. It is obvious the leading world authorities such as the World Health Organisation, the United Nations and the aforementioned President of the US were slow to react in attempting to contain the virus.

It would be wholly wrong at this juncture to attempt to attribute blame for the rapid transmission of the virus, but already we can see a New World Order beginning to emerge. Aircraft fleets are grounded, borders closed, the much-vaunted European Union Schengen model, which allows free movement of EU citizens across an area comprising 26 European states and who have ostensibly abolished all passport and all other types of border control at their common borders, are closed for business.

Billions of people across the globe are currently in military coerced and police controlled domestic lockdown; a new paradigm of governance is now in place. It’s Easter Sunday in the United Kingdom, the roads and motorways are nigh on empty; our freedom is dispossessed with “Stay at Home” orders resolutely in place. Outside in our garden the quality of air is alpine like, is the dramatic reduction in air pollution, really so significant in such a short space of time? It certainly feels so.

The UK government in accordance with other global models has shut down our economy. A new financial system now seems to me to be inevitable. Stocks and shares are falling and losing value exponentially. Gold and silver are highly sought-after commodities, oil prices are dropping through the floor. The twin petrol currency giants Russia and Saudi Arabia are presently squabbling like alley cats over the carcass of the last mouse. Central Banks have all reduced their interest rates to almost zero as our global financial system collapses in front of our very eyes.

The global lockdown has created an unprecedented lack of demand for oil and petrol, meaning the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) in Basle is working overtime to address the fiscal meltdown. The BIS is an international financial institution owned by central banks and offers international monetary and financial cooperation whilst also serving as a bank for central banks. The bank is now forced into releasing “Helicopter Money” to face the challenges of the current global liquidity trap.

Helicopter money is not the usual run of the mill conventional monetary policy; but the paradigm can be used for occasions like we are witnessing now, when interest rates are near zero and the economy is spiralling into recession. It is often thought the unique idea of helicopter money defined by central banks making payments directly to individuals as we have witnessed lately in Hong Kong.

In the United Kingdom, perhaps the idea of paying everyone a monthly “living wage” and abolishing the totally unfit for purpose Universal Credit might take hold at last? At a stroke it will end the twin evils of child poverty and homelessness and provide a kick-start to our financial meltdown.

It will help prevent domestic and damaging hyperinflation, and hopefully sort out the enormous task of addressing the monetization of budget deficits. The payments will help address two looming problems; future inflation and also aid the UK into getting back to a properly maintained GDP growth. I know it’s a seminal sea-change in how we address our social problems, but now is as good a time as any to grasp the nettle – surely?

Don't shoot me down just yet, I have another few pages to go!

[sinkov]

"Outside in our garden the quality of air is alpine like, is the dramatic reduction in air pollution, really so significant in such a short space of time? It certainly feels so."

Lucky you BT, over here nothing has changed as Castle Cement continues to spew out it's filth on a daily basis onto the otherwise green and pleasant Ribble Valley.

"Don't shoot me down just yet, I have another few pages to go!"

Carry on mon ami, in the meantime I shall continue to load my Smith and Wesson.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"Outside in our garden the quality of air is alpine like, is the dramatic reduction in air pollution, really so significant in such a short space of time? It certainly feels so."

Lucky you BT, over here nothing has changed as Castle Cement continues to spew out it's filth on a daily basis onto the otherwise green and pleasant Ribble Valley.

"Don't shoot me down just yet, I have another few pages to go!"

Carry on mon ami, in the meantime I shall continue to load my Smith and Wesson.

Seriously sinkov, over here on the West Pennines it's like living in Switzerland, but without their money.

[1959_60]

there isn't - but if you can get a seat at the table of the "foremost " authority to parade your stuff - it'd go a long way in gaining peoples "trust".




“The (Gates) foundation’s impact on the WHO is enormous,” said Garrett, of the Council on Foreign Relations. “If they weren’t there, if they walked away with their money, the deleterious impact would be profound, and everyone is all too aware of that.”


https://www.politico.eu/article/bill...werful-doctor/

So are we saying that whoever comes up with the vaccine is responsible for the virus in the first place?

I better put my chemistry set away then - in case I get lucky!