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[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Throughout history there are multitudes of instances where mans inhumanity to man appears unbelievable.
Cambodia and Pol Pot.....intellectuals died in their millions. The West knew about it but did what; stood and watched!
Even slavery to our eyes today is horrible, yet the Britain and the USA economies prospered at the expense of poor slaves transported from Africa in terrible conditions.......the mores of the day thought it perfectly acceptable.
I am of the view that as these atrocities continue unabated throughout history man will never change. Even today we have modern slavery where gullible individuals are transported from Eastern Europe to work and live in conditions most of us think unfit for animals. What are our politicians doing about it.....playing lip service.
Interesting that almost all of leading politicians have never studied history.....no wonder countries never learn!

Slavery was around way before us Brits got involved. And yes we made it into an industry but we were also at the forefront of trying to stop it. We were one of the first to ban it and in the 19th century Royal Navy ships were sent to blockade African ports that were still exporting slavers'

What exactly do you want our politicians to do? Send in an army, sanctions, write them a nasty letter.

So Pug instead of saying our politicians should do something


Tell me and others what they should do. Im very interested in knowing.

[mickd1961]

So you are advocating we should have done to them as they would have done to us. Does that not us as bad as them?

It was the 'punishment' meted out Germany after WW1 that led to Adolf coming to power. We learned our mistake and helped them (actually the Yanks did) rebuild. The result has been 75 years of peace in Europe for probably the first time ever with no prospect of any conflict in the future. And after the battering they took in WW11 I can't imagine many Germans being ready for war anytime soon.

Now Putin and the Russians that's much scarier for Europe.

I think the former Yugoslavia would disagree with your “75 years of peace in Europe”.

It’s only 25 years since we stood by and let Arkan and Milosevic and the rest of those nutters commit genocide.

The next psychopath is always just around the corner.

A dead Putin will be a good Putin.

[Pugmitch]

Sorry to disappoint 923 but you must really learn to read posts instead of imagining what is there. I don’t think I said anything about politicians should do something.....just what they are doing.....lip service etc.
Ever the protagonist 923....you’re not going to set me off.....you just like winding people up.....tee hee!

[WBA1955]

Pugmitch, when you play poker for high stakes winner takes all.
Would it make us like them? I don't advocate exterminating millions of innocent people who were living peacefully in their own countries, but i would certainly have made sure they never became a world power again like they have.
Maybe breaking up the country back into the small States they were before Bismarck.
You have hit the nail on the head about Putin, most western countries see Nazis as the lesser of two evils.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I think the former Yugoslavia would disagree with your “75 years of peace in Europe”.

It’s only 25 years since we stood by and let Arkan and Milosevic and the rest of those nutters commit genocide.

The next psychopath is always just around the corner.

A dead Putin will be a good Putin.

I meant the bit of Europe between here and Russia which has been pretty much continually at war except for the last 75 years. I was in Yugoslavia just after Tito died and got chatting to an English lady who lived there. Everyone knew it was just a matter of time before war broke after his death. Strange how just one man can hold a country together.

The UN did said troops in and it was Dutch soldiers who most infamously stood by. I'm reluctant to criticise any military officer in charge of life and death decisions. We'll never know how we would react.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Sorry to disappoint 923 but you must really learn to read posts instead of imagining what is there. I don’t think I said anything about politicians should do something.....just what they are doing.....lip service etc.
Ever the protagonist 923....you’re not going to set me off.....you just like winding people up.....tee hee!

I find it incomprehensible that some one would use the words tee hee when commenting on Nazi Concentration camps.

I would never use the subject of the holocaust just as a wind up.

What you actually wrote was
"Cambodia and Pol Pot.....intellectuals died in their millions. The West knew about it but did what; stood and watched"

So what would you have had the West do precisely?

[WBA1955]

The difference between countries like Cambodia, Uganda, Russia and the like were they were third world countries and the people were little more than peasants.
Germany was a word leader, that was very civilised and produced great scientists, architects, composers and the like. But it wasn't a coup that got Hitler into power, millions of Germans voted him in.
Of course nowadays you hear German's say they didn't agree with him, but they didn't say that when they were stomping all over Europe. He was the best thing since sliced bread. Thousands of them glassy eyed turned up at massed rallies screaming sieg heil.
You have to be a very sick individual to send women and children into a gas chamber or to do the vile experiments they did on young children in the name of science. Yet they never had a shortage of recruits.
The Waffen SS i admit were very brave and loyal soldiers, but they also took turns in the death camps.
It wasn't just the SS who carried out atrocities either, the Wermacht also did the same in occupied countries. Field Marshalls like Jodl and Keitel were hung for war crimes against humanity. Rommel only turned against Hitler when he thought Germany was losing the war. Before that he was a dedicated Nazi.
Then less than thirty years later we were all in the European Union as though it had never happened.
Sorry doesn't really cover things like this.
Germany should have been an outcast for at least one hundred years.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

That is quite correct Ketts, old Joe Stalin killed more Russians than Hitler did.

Just finished reading a fictional biography of Russian composer Dimitri Soshtakovic during Stalin's Russia in the 1930's. Now I knew Stalin had a million so bumped off just in 1936 because they didn't agree with his politics. But composers and artists killed and tortured because he went from liking their work to finding it anti socialist bourgeois overnight! News to me.

[mickd1961]

I’ve just bought the latest Doug Hyde painting “Thank You” which is a fund raiser for the NHS and I collect his work.

Looks like the sort of simple art Boris would like so I trust I’m safe from the firing squad!

https://images.app.goo.gl/ddLjwUERKRF5MHLu9

[TipperaryBaggie]

As Wolfy Smith used to say, "come the revolution brother, you're be the first against the wall".