No football this year

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Given the news coming out of Sweden I don’t think their approach is one that has worked any better than anyone else’s and looks to have backfired.

On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

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I take it Rosemary the telephone operator survived....!!!!

I'm assuming she did but not heard much a boot her after she had her baby.

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On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

Just finished watching Piers again. Very good guy from the FT on who was saying the deaths, total for GB is about 46k. That's the full number of all deaths. Am I being naive in thinking that the normal deaths for this time of year could be about 25k so maybe the difference is the 20k that seem to be covid related? Have to say thanks to you guys who are using this thread. It's like old times on here, just that the topic is very worrying.

I think that the economic future may revolve around tax increases. The difficulty will come if pursuit of supporting London as a world financial centre comes into conflict higher taxes for financial wizards. Think that's why we got austerity in 2008. It played into the mindset of the financial markets and kept them sweet. Need to have a gentle touch on the tiller going forward to avoid the Rross prognosis!

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Just finished watching Piers again. Very good guy from the FT on who was saying the deaths, total for GB is about 46k. That's the full number of all deaths. Am I being naive in thinking that the normal deaths for this time of year could be about 25k so maybe the difference is the 20k that seem to be covid related? Have to say thanks to you guys who are using this thread. It's like old times on here, just that the topic is very worrying.

I think that the economic future may revolve around tax increases. The difficulty will come if pursuit of supporting London as a world financial centre comes into conflict higher taxes for financial wizards. Think that's why we got austerity in 2008. It played into the mindset of the financial markets and kept them sweet. Need to have a gentle touch on the tiller going forward to avoid the Rross prognosis!

If I mind right it's usually between 1600 and 1700 per day that die though this maybe just eng/Wales and that's spreading out the deaths over the year.

Remember as well the lockdown will cause some death as well ( non virus related) especially going forward through missed tests, screening and treatments for other illnesses.

The wealth taxes may well be pretty brutal as the really wealthy tend to avoid.

The other thing that annoys me is the press keep saying wealth is generally not earned but handed down. This is probably the 1st time in history working classes have began to hand down wealth to the next generation, I see nothing wrong with that and not something to be almost sneered at.

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On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.

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If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.

Fair point Noah. There's a very good You Think be video that shows how flattening the rate of infection is really the key to getting through this pandemic. The worrying thing is that there still seems to be some bureaucracy that gets in the way of getting things done.

Read a report that the plane from China landed at Prestwick and the stuff had to stay there because the individual boxes had letters of authenticity/approval, but the individual items didn't have the right marks of approval on each item. Fair point made by Nicola Sturgeon was that it was better to have the products here in Scotland than sitting on a runway than sitting in China.

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If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.

Gonna no call Boris BJ it puts me right aff meh train of thought.

As i have argued on dab mad people are shielded from death in this country whether that's good or bad.

My main criticism is I think the lockdown is excessive especially now.

Very slim chance of dying if you are healthy.

I've not seen much on the longer term effects of getting the virus and being seriously unwell with it.

Is it something that will weaken your lungs for life or can you make a full recovery even after ventilation and icu.

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Oh and you can't criticise the Chinese.....that's the rules apparently.

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Gonna no call Boris BJ it puts me right aff meh train of thought.

As i have argued on dab mad people are shielded from death in this country whether that's good or bad.

My main criticism is I think the lockdown is excessive especially now.

Very slim chance of dying if you are healthy.

I've not seen much on the longer term effects of getting the virus and being seriously unwell with it.

Is it something that will weaken your lungs for life or can you make a full recovery even after ventilation and icu.

Not everyone in work is in good health though. Asthma for example so you can understand the concern.

We should start by sending those two infertile pandas who are costing us a fortune back to them.

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Not everyone in work is in good health though. Asthma for example so you can understand the concern.

We should start by sending those two infertile pandas who are costing us a fortune back to them.

No I know

Its never really been defined what is a serious underlying.

BP tablet controlled serious?

Asthma inhaler controlled serious?

Fat/obese serious?

Or is it post chemo, transplant patients, diabetes and other things.

The 95% figure dead said serious underlying conditions whereas in previous reports it just said underlying conditions.

It's maybe just word play but I think it's quite significant.

There's a lot of grey areas.