NL board to decide early next week

[BigFatPie]

It's our owners call whether or not to challenge a promotion being secured over a table rather than a football pitch, but I for one would like to make it known that there are supporters who would back them taking an ugly course of action and that they should not be made to feel guilty for doing so.
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On what grounds would any court action be launched?

[upthemaggies]

On what grounds would any court action be launched?

Simply that we have more right to be re-instated than some random out of form club that was about to sink down the table into oblivion.

If the FL get to decide who to invite, I think we've got a very good chance anyway - based purely on geography, Barrow is a fair trek for a lot of clubs.

The more I think about it, the more Barrow seem to be the worst possible club to promote into the Football League, We've already got Fleetwood, Blackpool, Morecambe, Preston, Accrington, Rochdale, Burnley, Bolton, Macc Town, Oldham, Wigan, Blackburn, Tranmere, Salford and Crewe in that area which is, more than any other region, struggling financially (see Bury, Bolton and Macc), so why on Earth would the football league want to invite another North West club that averages less than 2,500, less than Woking, in a tip of a ground????? It's just stupid, utterly stupid.

They are nowhere in the attendance table, as low down as they are on form over the last two months. it's also precariously close to Windscale (and let's call it by its' proper name and not what they changed it to after the accident). It's the ar$3 end of Britain where nobody wants to live and nobody wants to go. Why are they even a consideration? Scratch them off the list, terrible idea to even consider them.

[legs77]

I remember a few weeks back somebody said UTM never does a bad post !

You seem to think we are Real Madrid who can bully our way out of the NL i'll tell you how big we are we tried to arrange a few dates in the league which we agreed with the other clubs but the NL still knocked us back.

If I was you i'd wait to see what the NL say in their meeting on Friday but as things stand i'd say we will be in this league next season whenever that is.

[upthemaggies]

I remember a few weeks back somebody said UTM never does a bad post !

You seem to think we are Real Madrid who can bully our way out of the NL i'll tell you how big we are we tried to arrange a few dates in the league which we agreed with the other clubs but the NL still knocked us back.

If I was you i'd wait to see what the NL say in their meeting on Friday but as things stand i'd say we will be in this league next season whenever that is.

So in your opinion we just take it lying down and don't fight back?

[legs77]

So in your opinion we just take it lying down and don't fight back?

No as I said last night I think our owners will argue our case and so they should do as well.

What i'm saying is if a decision is made it is pretty much a done deal.

We had lots more to argue two years ago against Coventry when we were screwed by 3 goals over 2 legs but what can you do ?

[BigFatPie]

Simply that we have more right to be re-instated than some random out of form club that was about to sink down the table into oblivion.

If the FL get to decide who to invite, I think we've got a very good chance anyway - based purely on geography, Barrow is a fair trek for a lot of clubs.

The more I think about it, the more Barrow seem to be the worst possible club to promote into the Football League, We've already got Fleetwood, Blackpool, Morecambe, Preston, Accrington, Rochdale, Burnley, Bolton, Macc Town, Oldham, Wigan, Blackburn, Tranmere, Salford and Crewe in that area which is, more than any other region, struggling financially (see Bury, Bolton and Macc), so why on Earth would the football league want to invite another North West club that averages less than 2,500, less than Woking, in a tip of a ground????? It's just stupid, utterly stupid.

They are nowhere in the attendance table, as low down as they are on form over the last two months. it's also precariously close to Windscale (and let's call it by its' proper name and not what they changed it to after the accident). It's the ar$3 end of Britain where nobody wants to live and nobody wants to go. Why are they even a consideration? Scratch them off the list, terrible idea to even consider them.

We’d have no chance of succeeding for any of those reasons, and nor would I want us to.

If as likely it comes down to the EFL inviting one club in, the only reasonable criteria is what has happened on the pitch in the 4/5ths of the season that has been completed and then whether that club meets the ground requirements. The EFL would have to demonstrate they’re following their own rules.

There seems to be quite a few Notts fans who think that if we have no chance of getting promoted then no one else should either. If it was some sugar daddy team involved like Fylde or Solihull I could understand but Barrow have come from nowhere with a crap budget, to top the table for the majority of the season we’ve had. They handed our arses to us in November and I think they fully deserve their place in the league.

[LilCrazyKim]

While it is possible Notts will make overtures if the EFL decide to invite a team, 'Barrow aren't that well supported and are in a crowded market' isn't going to be grounds for a legal challenge if (probably when) it's turned down. It's also worth bearing in mind that we're close to two of the EFL's biggest clubs and while our support is decent, we're hardly a strategic necessity ourselves.

I understand the frustration that our season was derailed at just the point we were starting to look the real deal but the blame there lies solely at the door of Alan Hardy, whose behaviour last summer left us a week to prepare for the new season and probably cost us the chance to say we should be back in the EFL on footballing merit. It's one of those things that unfortunately we're going to have to take on the chin. Frankly at the moment I'm happy the existence of the club doesn't seem to be under threat. That's a comfort that many clubs (including some in the league's above us) don't currently have.

[upthemaggies]

While it is possible Notts will make overtures if the EFL decide to invite a team, 'Barrow aren't that well supported and are in a crowded market' isn't going to be grounds for a legal challenge if (probably when) it's turned down..

No, I'm saying that would be a reason (with so many clubs struggling up that end of the country) for the FL *not* to invite Barrow in the first place. If it's on a one club per vote basis, selfish reasons should dictate that they seriously consider us instead because they'll stand to make more money playing against Notts than Barrow.

Legal grounds would be on the basis that we shouldn't have been relegated in the first place (with Bury dropping out) or that if Barrow's position at the end of March counts for something then so should ours. If the season is expunged, then we definitely should be reinstated on the basis that we were the highest placed club before the fixtures were published and the tables were reset.

[ThaiPie]

My view:

1. If the EFL decide they only have one place available. then its up to them and all non league clubs have to accept this.

2. The EFL should decide, in collaboration with NL the fairest method to choose a team. On points per game, choose Barrow. BUT if they decide to expunge the whole season and invite a team. Then it should be Notts County as the last team to get relegated. Our 150 odd seasons should Trump a good run of games by Barrow.

3. My own preference, would be a simple revised play off system.


The NL decides the league position (or points per game) this system starts. eg My example is from 4th up.

Team in 4th plays team in 3rd. (Team in 3rd home advantage)
Winner 4th V 3rd plays team in 2nd (Team in 2nd home advantage)
Winner 4th, 3rd V 2nd plays 1st. (Team in 1st home advantage)
Winner promoted to FL

Advantages - Gives the advantage to the teams in the highest position (they play at home and with less matches) and very few matches.

Any disadvantages?

[upthemaggies]

My view:

1. If the EFL decide they only have one place available. then its up to them and all non league clubs have to accept this.

2. The EFL should decide, in collaboration with NL the fairest method to choose a team. On points per game, choose Barrow. BUT if they decide to expunge the whole season and invite a team. Then it should be Notts County as the last team to get relegated. Our 150 odd seasons should Trump a good run of games by Barrow.

3. My own preference, would be a simple revised play off system.


The NL decides the league position (or points per game) this system starts. eg My example is from 4th up.

Team in 4th plays team in 3rd. (Team in 3rd home advantage)
Winner 4th V 3rd plays team in 2nd (Team in 2nd home advantage)
Winner 4th, 3rd V 2nd plays 1st. (Team in 1st home advantage)
Winner promoted to FL

Advantages - Gives the advantage to the teams in the highest position (they play at home and with less matches) and very few matches.

Any disadvantages?

I put forward a similar solution earlier this week, somebody pointed out that it would be unfair on teams fast tracked to the final or SF because they wouldn't be match fit (which is a bt of a stretch seeing that other teams would only be playing one or two additional games). The answer to that would be to give them the option of taking part in an earlier round, or doing it as a mini-group or two leading to a final, if they really believe they'd be at a disadvantage.

It's a good point to say that 150 odd years (including top flight etc.) should trump a 12 match run over a couple of months early-ish in the campaign, which is solely the reason Barrow are where they are. They have not been consistently top of the table form from beginning to lockdown, far from it.