The Corona Virus

[1959_60]

....I don't think that I am being hyper critical, but this equipment should have been stockpiled because pandemic flu (which uses the same PPE etc as coronavirus) is, by the Governments own documents, the greatest risk to the UK.

Well, I would say, Governments in a Capitalistic world ,must surely think in terms of 'profit'. Then to order, and buy, 'x' millions of PPE stuff,in case some 'pandemic would happen,in the next,10 -15 years? Is not on the cards. The stuff needs to be bought,(costing?),then it has to be stored,so then 'storage space is required,(costing?) Then it has to be checked that no harm, (again costing?),has been done to it? (What ever could have happened??) So that's why nothing was done!!

Not true Balam.

Until fairly recently we DID stockpile the stuff. but over the last few years we have allowed the stocks to become depleted.

And Sinkov, I think you will find reports of lack of PPE in EVERY news outlet you can think of, not just the BBC.

And at the end of the day, whether it is the NHS, PHE or the Government, the responsible person is Matt Hancock, the buck stops with him. And it has been the Governments task to make sure that these services were adequately funded and supplied.

If you get bad service in a shop or restaurant then you would ask "To see the manager". It it their responsibility for how the business operates.

[Balanbam00]

59_60: Yes that's correct,they did buy minus 'x' amount ,by the way I have no idea of how much is really needed to buy for a really eventful pandemic? Lets just give numbers from 1 to 10. What is needed is 10 ,full house. But the Government bought just 5,and then over the years allowed it to drop down to 3 ,(it was being reduced at a steady slow pace,(no pandemic at all) so, all's well!) Why did that Government at the time not replenish, not buy? ......The cost involved, which was not at all compulsory ! (wink).Yes Minister!

The wealth of a nation is in the hands of private ownership,all Governments are struggling to keep afloat.

[Balanbam00]

Slow slow ,quick quick slow?

Israel set to launch antibody testing this week
“The FDA-approved serological tests will allow thousands of tests a day in Israel."

Israel will begin serological testing as early as this week to determine if a patient has been exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus and, if so, if the patient has developed antibodies against it, according to Gamidor Diagnostics.

The country will use Roche’s Elecsys Anti-SARS-CoV-2 test, which received US Food and Drug emergency use administration on Sunday. Gamidor Diagnostics is the exclusive representative of Roche in Israel. The country will be one of the first to implement the test in the world.

Serological tests identify immunoglobulin M (IgM) and immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies. The body quickly produces IgM antibodies for the initial fight against infection. IgG antibodies remain longer in the body, suggesting possible immunity.
Gamidor originally thought the tests would only be available in the country by mid-May.

The test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and 100% sensitivity, according to a release.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Hancock's Half Hour is posting the same sort of stuff out on the back of old fag packets and claiming we are "testing" more than 100,000 people per day.

Attachment 15707

[Balanbam00]

Yeah ,well I got this straight out of the Beano, but I did not see the small print so, Fake News ! .

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...ovid-19-625498

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...is-week-626747

[Balanbam00]

.......wow! we are "testing" more than 100,000 people per day.


Oh BT : UK coronavirus tests have fallen from 120,000 a day on Friday down to 76,000 yesterday, Michael Gove has revealed.

[sinkov]

And Sinkov, I think you will find reports of lack of PPE in EVERY news outlet you can think of, not just the BBC.

I only mentioned the BBC story 59 because that's the one you put the link up to. And yet again you miss my point, which is not about the lack of PPE stories, but the fact that the BBC refuses to place the blame on the organisations responsible for the failures, the NHS and PHE, and instead attempts to shield these organisations by insisting it's 'the UK' or 'the government' at fault. So I ask you again, why do you think this is ? Why are they so reluctant to name the organisations culpable ? Do they perhaps have an agenda, there must be an explanation.

Just to check your claim that EVERY news outlet is running stories on lack of PPE, I've just checked the Telegraph website. It's thronged with Coronavirus stories, I lost count of the number but I reckon it's between 15 and 20. But despite your claim, only one refers to PPE and this is a quote from it, (I would put a link up but no point, it's behind a paywall)

"I’ve been a nurse since 2012 and, although I’ve spent a number of years working in intensive care, I’ve never dealt with anything like this. The most difficult part is going in with all guns blazing, not knowing that you’ll definitely come out of it fine. The GP practice where I work is well resourced with plenty of PPE, as we were forward-thinking and ordered it early, but even so, six staff (out of 35-40) were off work last week with suspected Covid-19 symptoms. It feels like a matter of time before we all come down with it. We’ve resigned ourselves [to it]. Last month, a nurse who works at a GP practice in the same building died after contracting it. It was an awful day. We knew it was coming and we were warned from the beginning that we’d lose people we know and love and work with, but it didn’t feel real until it happened."

So they managed to acquire adequate PPE but still one colleague dead and others off sick with the virus. This what you find when get away from the BBC and Guardian, but this sort of stuff is of no interest to lefty media outlets like the BBC, who are spending taxpayers money trawling for lack of PPE stories so they can indulge in a bit of Boris bashing. It's a shameful exercise for our national broadcaster to be involved with in such a time of national crisis, but you can expect nothing else from this BDS infected media outlet.

And just to back up the Telegraph story, on my walk this morning I got talking to someone who works at Royal Blackburn and I asked him about PPE, they'd never run out he said, and they never would, it was now arriving in lorry loads. Just another story that wouldn't interest the BBC, it doesn't fit their narrative.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

What I don't get sinkov is IF our NHS frontline workers are adequately supplied with proper and effective PPE, why are they dying?

Something just does not add up does it?

[sinkov]

And at the end of the day, whether it is the NHS, PHE or the Government, the responsible person is Matt Hancock, the buck stops with him. And it has been the Governments task to make sure that these services were adequately funded and supplied.
If you get bad service in a shop or restaurant then you would ask "To see the manager". It it their responsibility for how the business operates.

You don't seem to have much idea about how business operates in the private sector 59. I used to work for a big multi-national company, I'm not sure, but worldwide it might even have been a bigger employer than the NHS, or maybe not I don't know, but it was BIG. In the department I worked I was responsible for quality control, if the stuff coming off the production line failed on inspection and was rejected, the shift foreman would investigate the cause, if the problem was caused by a failure in the quality control section he didn't rant and rave and demand the department head be sacked, he didn't have another rant and demand the resignation of the works manager, he called in the person responsible.........me. I would then be told to resolve the problem in my department, and resolve it quickly, and if I couldn't, I'd be out and they'd appoint someone in my place who could.

But sadly public bodies like the NHS and PHE don't work like that, some very well paid people in those organisations fail to do their jobs and nothing happens to them, it's all the fault of Matt Hancock apparently. We really do live in a lunatic asylum.

[sinkov]

What I don't get sinkov is IF our NHS frontline workers are adequately supplied with proper and effective PPE, why are they dying?

Something just does not add up does it?

See the story in post 557 BT. It seems to me there is no such thing as 100% protection from Covid 19.