The Corona Virus

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Something definitely fishy though sinkov, or is the Guardian to blame for reporting it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...box=1588493334

[sinkov]

Hancock's Half Hour is posting the same sort of stuff out on the back of old fag packets and claiming we are "testing" more than 100,000 people per day.

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I loved that one BT, a very neat little trick, the Lefty media muppets had been waiting all month to beat him with that stick, and then right at the last moment he'd done it, with one mighty bound he was free. All smoke and mirrors of course, but it put the muppets noses out of joint, they had been so looking forward to asking him if he was going to resign, and then they couldn't.

What I don't understand is why he ever made himself an hostage to fortune by giving the Lefty muppets that figure in the first place, he's been around a while now, he should have known better, what on earth was he thinking of in the first place ?

[sinkov]

Something definitely fishy though sinkov, or is the Guardian to blame for reporting it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...box=1588493334

Here we go again BT, the government being blamed for something which is the responsibilty of the NHS.

"BMA council chair Dr Chaand Nagpaul said the survey response on PPE was “a damning indictment of the government’s abject failure to make sure healthcare workers across the country are being supplied with the life-saving kit they should be”.

Why does the BMA not more accurately say this is “a damning indictment of the NHS’s abject failure to make sure healthcare workers across the country are being supplied with the life-saving kit they should be"

Don't bother answering though BT, We both already know the answer don't we.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

If 59er's assertion that "NHS central" is responsible for England's national PPE supply and Hancock's Half Hour is their boss, who should carry the can?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The media driven panic continues...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coron...cid=spartanntp

Well, he would say that wouldn't he?

[1959_60]

To be fair to Hancock, he DOES take responsibility for the NHS during his briefings.

Mind you, he has no choice. He is their boss.

Similar to what Super said about our armed forces being short of v1tal equipment during recent conflicts. You COULD blame the Army, Air Force or Vavy for these shortages but the buck stops with the Government who decide how much to put in the defence budget and how the money is spent. Like the NHS, the Government will be advised by the military "experts" but the buck stops with the Defence Minister.
Ben Wallace will decide and be responsible for how many aircraft carriers we have and making sure our front line forces are adequately kitted out.
You COULD blame the army/air force/navy if the kit is insufficient, but the buck stops with Wallace.
i can't understand why you are arguing otherwise Sinkov?

[sinkov]

If 59er's assertion that "NHS central" is responsible for England's national PPE supply and Hancock's Half Hour is their boss, who should carry the can?

The people responsible for provision of PPE. The NHS website says it them. If the cap fits, wear it.

Well over one million employees, £149 million budget and a career Tory politician has to wipe their arses for them, I think our best hope is that Mr Trump buys it out, it's fecking useless as it is, can't save our lives, can't save the lives of it's own staff, can't even order it's own PPE. Stay home, stay safe, good advice.

[sinkov]

To be fair to Hancock, he DOES take responsibility for the NHS during his briefings.

Mind you, he has no choice. He is their boss.

Similar to what Super said about our armed forces being short of v1tal equipment during recent conflicts. You COULD blame the Army, Air Force or Vavy for these shortages but the buck stops with the Government who decide how much to put in the defence budget and how the money is spent. Like the NHS, the Government will be advised by the military "experts" but the buck stops with the Defence Minister.
Ben Wallace will decide and be responsible for how many aircraft carriers we have and making sure our front line forces are adequately kitted out.
You COULD blame the army/air force/navy if the kit is insufficient, but the buck stops with Wallace.
i can't understand why you are arguing otherwise Sinkov?

BT, bless him, understands quite well the point I'm making 59. You fail to, I'm not sure exactly why, blame falling squarely onto the shoulders of those responsible for failings is not a new or even contentious principal.

"However, the issue I was concerned about was the death of a doctor here in Bolton down to a lack of PPE. Sinkov quite rightly shot me down in flames for blaming Hancock personally. Sinkov provided the full list Board of Directors of our Royal Bolton NHS Trust. What overwhelms me is the fact COBRA still allows this type of NHS structure to stay in place right across England. My wife who went through hell and high water to get her mam the treatment she needed when she got cancer respects the doctors and nurses very highly, but has no time whatsoever for the "management".

[1959_60]

BT, bless him, understands quite well the point I'm making 59. You fail to, I'm not sure exactly why, blame falling squarely onto the shoulders of those responsible for failings is not a new or even contentious principal.

"However, the issue I was concerned about was the death of a doctor here in Bolton down to a lack of PPE. Sinkov quite rightly shot me down in flames for blaming Hancock personally. Sinkov provided the full list Board of Directors of our Royal Bolton NHS Trust. What overwhelms me is the fact COBRA still allows this type of NHS structure to stay in place right across England. My wife who went through hell and high water to get her mam the treatment she needed when she got cancer respects the doctors and nurses very highly, but has no time whatsoever for the "management".

Morning Mon AmI!

I don't agree with you when you say about the NHS, "I think our best hope is that Mr Trump buys it out, it's fecking useless as it is, can't save our lives"

But even if I did agree with you, then why is the NHS so useless and who has ultimate responsibility for funding and for the current structure of it?

Yep. The Government decide these things (with reference to those pesky "experts".

If the NHS is failing us then it is the Government who carries the can. They are responsible for it's effectiveness. And that's why there is so much noise about the NHS during every General Election campaign.

And I totally agree that both the NHS and, especially, Social Care have been underfunded in recent years. A political decision.

That's how it works in this country.

[sinkov]

"I don't agree with you when you say about the NHS, "I think our best hope is that Mr Trump buys it out, it's fecking useless as it is, can't save our lives"

Sometimes 59, I might say things a bit tongue in cheek, on a bit of a wind up, so to speak, normally you recognise those moments.

If the NHS is failing us then it is the Government who carries the can. They are responsible for it's effectiveness. And that's why there is so much noise about the NHS during every General Election campaign."

The government will carry the can if it doesn't sort out failings in the NHS, at the next General Election, but in the meantime Matt Hancock cannot be held responsible for each and every operational failure in the the NHS or PHE. If the Health Secretary had to resign every time one of the 1.2 million people employed in the NHS cocked up they'd need revolving doors to his office, and we'd have run out of Health Secretary's by tea time.