O/T Coronavirus Thread (3)

[Shark27]

The one with Germany is much more significant

Yes the comparison with Germany is interesting when looking at mortality rates.

German death rates are much lower but they have had a significant amount of cases. My first thought would be that our intensive care/amount of ventilators may be factor but from what I hear this hasn't turned out to be a huge problem.

Is it because Germany started lockdown slightly earlier than the UK? They closed schools even before their official lockdown. Saying that, Germany was hit hit by the virus before the UK.

Is it down to testing? This seems to be the reason that I would go with. More people were tested, more people realised they had it and therefore self isolated. Here people carried on, against advice in some cases, and spread the virus.

Are the stats relating to deaths correct? Will we only know for sure when we look at the excess deaths?

[KerrAvon]

Yes the comparison with Germany is interesting when looking at mortality rates.

German death rates are much lower but they have had a significant amount of cases. My first thought would be that our intensive care/amount of ventilators may be factor but from what I hear this hasn't turned out to be a huge problem.

Is it because Germany started lockdown slightly earlier than the UK? They closed schools even before their official lockdown. Saying that, Germany was hit hit by the virus before the UK.

Is it down to testing? This seems to be the reason that I would go with. More people were tested, more people realised they had it and therefore self isolated. Here people carried on, against advice in some cases, and spread the virus.

Are the stats relating to deaths correct? Will we only know for sure when we look at the excess deaths?

It’s far too early to draw meaningful comparisons. As IBS pointed out over the weekend in one of his more lucid moments, there is no standardised way of recording deaths and there is a difference between dying of Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19. In the UK, we initially measured those dying in hospital with Covid19, but that has now been expanded that to all settings and, as I understand it, we are including people who died with Covid19 symptoms irrespective of whether they have been tested.

As this bloke points out, it will be some time before meaningful comparisons can be made:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ther-countries

My suspicion is that Germany’s high test capacity will prove to have been crucial. The UK’s track and trace phase had to be cut short because of the lack of the same. We may also need to look at behavioural responses within the population and sections of the population.

My understanding is that the availability of ventilators has not proved to be an issue and that medical opinion is tending against invasive ventilation as its effect on outcomes is limited.

My worry is that the scientific investigation of the UK’s response will be overtaken by a political blame game. It already is on here for some posters even though people are still dying.

[Exiletyke]

Still not answered

[KerrAvon]

Still not answered

Still not answered what?

[Exiletyke]

Still not answered what?

This
When you qualify to become a lawyer you must surely receive a diploma/certificate /document of some sort [you know the one you place usually framed strategically in your office] so tell us all what it's called so as to avoid any confusion

[Shark27]

This
When you qualify to become a lawyer you must surely receive a diploma/certificate /document of some sort [you know the one you place usually framed strategically in your office] so tell us all what it's called so as to avoid any confusion

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...yh7QBTb7-gEosL

[CAMiller]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...yh7QBTb7-gEosL

If I keep reading the threads on here I think I'll be ready for that 'super exam' in September 2021

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

Meanwhile sadly in the ' real world ' ...288 more added to the death toll and...' Test, track and trace ' is on its way.

[Shark27]

It’s far too early to draw meaningful comparisons. As IBS pointed out over the weekend in one of his more lucid moments, there is no standardised way of recording deaths and there is a difference between dying of Covid-19 and dying with Covid-19. In the UK, we initially measured those dying in hospital with Covid19, but that has now been expanded that to all settings and, as I understand it, we are including people who died with Covid19 symptoms irrespective of whether they have been tested.

As this bloke points out, it will be some time before meaningful comparisons can be made:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ther-countries

My suspicion is that Germany’s high test capacity will prove to have been crucial. The UK’s track and trace phase had to be cut short because of the lack of the same. We may also need to look at behavioural responses within the population and sections of the population.

My understanding is that the availability of ventilators has not proved to be an issue and that medical opinion is tending against invasive ventilation as its effect on outcomes is limited.

My worry is that the scientific investigation of the UK’s response will be overtaken by a political blame game. It already is on here for some posters even though people are still dying.

It now turns out that someone in France tested positive in late December after being admitted to hospital for pneumonia.

His kids also had symptoms but his wife didn't although they are saying it was probably his wife who contracted it first as she works near the airport.

If this is the case then that puts a massive question mark on the successes/failures of different countries responses as well as their stats.

[KerrAvon]

It now turns out that someone in France tested positive in late December after being admitted to hospital for pneumonia.

His kids also had symptoms but his wife didn't although they are saying it was probably his wife who contracted it first as she works near the airport.

If this is the case then that puts a massive question mark on the successes/failures of different countries responses as well as their stats.

I saw that. It's very interesting, although I do hope that the French authorities will be investigating whether the sample might have been contaminated prior to testing. The story is that Northern Italy was hit particularly badly because the disease was circulating within the population there for some weeks before it was recognised.

We are only four months on from the disease being identified. There is an awful lot of work still required to fully understand it and plot its spread.