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Thread: League two clubs vote to end season

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    whilst i understand upthemaggies being upset can someone please explain the rules of the NL/EFL promotion/relegation to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinawhite1000 View Post
    whilst i understand upthemaggies being upset can someone please explain the rules of the NL/EFL promotion/relegation to him?

    "Can be" your words, is not the same as "will be". the rules are open to interpretation, otherwise clubs wouldn't be debating the issue and running to the press.

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    (a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League.

    China, which part of this rule specifies what should happen in the event of the FL deciding on a whim to abolish relegation to the NL?
    Where is the rule that dictates what should happen if only one team is allowed to go up? We can all make biased informed assumptions but without a rule already in place then an agreement between clubs/leagues will have to be reached.

    If Barrow have already been promoted and are now officially a Football League Club and I've happened to miss that story, then please do furnish me with a link and I'll be happy to congratulate you and wish you well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    (a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League.

    China, which part of this rule specifies what should happen in the event of the FL deciding on a whim to abolish relegation to the NL?
    Where is the rule that dictates what should happen if only one team is allowed to go up? We can all make biased informed assumptions but without a rule already in place then an agreement between clubs/leagues will have to be reached.

    If Barrow have already been promoted and are now officially a Football League Club and I've happened to miss that story, then please do furnish me with a link and I'll be happy to congratulate you and wish you well.
    Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
    The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

    IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.
    Last edited by Chinawhite1000; 21-05-2020 at 10:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinawhite1000 View Post
    Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
    The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

    IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.
    Could be better in the "long run" for your lot as well. If you do go up you'll only go straight back down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chinawhite1000 View Post
    Whilst I wouldn't agree with it my guess would be that the EFL would use the wording "shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League" and would reject the application. As I've said before if either Stevenage or Macclesfield* don't get relegated then it's wrong.
    The way things are going it looks like the EFL want it to be Macclesfield and will dock them enough points on the outstanding charge of failing to fulfil a fixture (can't remember who the 2nd one was against) to put them below Stevenage and are waiting until when they have done that to confirm there will be relegation - either that or they will find a rule that lets them expel Macclesfield.

    IF that doesn't happen and only 1 goes up I think that there will be negotiations between the EFL and NL which might end in 3 up 3 down from next season. Which in the long run could be better for Notts as if the play-offs were to take place Notts would enter at the play off semi final stage and only have a mathematical 1 in 4 chance of going up.

    Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but I'm pretty certain our owners and manager won't be scrambling under your metaphorical dining table to munch on that little crumb of comfort. On what planet would it be better for us to have only one crack at going up rather than two?

    I think you're worried, otherwise you wouldn't be wasting your energy on here trying to convince me, us or yourself that Barrow are going up no matter what, and you've every reason to be worried if this comes down to invitation rather league position, as some are suggesting.

    If the Premier League, for example, were given the opportunity of voting between a well run club that averages 25,000 in a modern stadium or a club that struggles to get 15k with much work to be done, but just happened to be over-performing this season, who would they pick? We know they'd all prefer to play the likes of Leeds, Sunderland and West Brom to the Bournemouths, Burnleys and Watfords. Will that thinking be any different lower down?

    Notts silence on the matter may suggest they aren't particularly bothered and will accept whatever decision is forthcoming, or maybe they know more than they are letting on. There's some food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navypie View Post
    Could be better in the "long run" for your lot as well. If you do go up you'll only go straight back down.
    And go bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post

    Notts silence on the matter may suggest they aren't particularly bothered and will accept whatever decision is forthcoming, or maybe they know more than they are letting on. There's some food for thought.
    Or the silence is because Jason Turner is negotiating/ lobbying behind the scenes to get us the best outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldstripy View Post
    Or the silence is because Jason Turner is negotiating/ lobbying behind the scenes to get us the best outcome.
    I'd support whatever course of action the club chooses to take on this matter, including none whatsoever if they decide that's the best way forward.

    I can't have any sympathy though for clubs who have apparently refused to engage on finding a solution on the field of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    I'd support whatever course of action the club chooses to take on this matter, including none whatsoever if they decide that's the best way forward.

    I can't have any sympathy though for clubs who have apparently refused to engage on finding a solution on the field of play.
    Another thought if the EFL are waiting to see if Macclesfield are going to default on their players wages and they can hit them with another points deduction to get rid of a club that can't fulfill it's obligations.

    If the EFL use hard business sense and wonder if it is sensible to invite two clubs into the league who are desperate for money or one or two clubs who have the resources to compete in the EFL. (Notts & Yeovil)

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