OT Cummings Press Statement

[ramAnag]

You have been on an on about Cummings all the way through this. Why haven't you say singled out Ali, for attending a funeral with over 100 people and the police stood and watched?

Erm...the thread is about ‘Cummings’ Press Statement’.

I don’t defend Ali attending a funeral with 100 other mourners. Seems ridiculous and equally wrong, but I don’t even know who Ali is...he certainly isn’t an ‘archtect’ of the rules that have been broken.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Erm...the thread is about ‘Cummings’ Press Statement’.

I don’t defend Ali attending a funeral with 100 other mourners. Seems ridiculous and equally wrong, but I don’t even know who Ali is...he certainly isn’t an ‘archtect’ of the rules that have been broken.

Tahir Ali, MP for Hall Green (where I used to live for 5 years in my youth) attended a funeral in Sutton amongst 100 others. You may wonder how close a relative he was of the deceased? The answer - none. Allegedly he also attended another funeral in Sandwell the same day - presumably again not as an even distant relative. Evidently he was gathering data to support his campaign for amending rules on funeral attendance!!

Assuming 100 at each funeral, then he may have come into contact with rather a lot of people - a walking R factor time bomb at a time (end March early April) when covid R rate was already growing rapidly.

You could understand it if he was a close family member or good friend of the deceased, but it seems he didnt even know either person. He said sorry and that was it. Contrast this with Cummings being pilloried for what seems a lesser crime, and it does appear like a witch hunt of a political nature

[Geoff Parkstone]

Tahir Ali, MP for Hall Green (where I used to live for 5 years in my youth) attended a funeral in Sutton amongst 100 others. You may wonder how close a relative he was of the deceased? The answer - none. Allegedly he also attended another funeral in Sandwell the same day - presumably again not as an even distant relative. Evidently he was gathering data to support his campaign for amending rules on funeral attendance!!

Assuming 100 at each funeral, then he may have come into contact with rather a lot of people - a walking R factor time bomb at a time (end March early April) when covid R rate was already growing rapidly.

You could understand it if he was a close family member or good friend of the deceased, but it seems he didnt even know either person. He said sorry and that was it. Contrast this with Cummings being pilloried for what seems a lesser crime, and it does appear like a witch hunt of a political nature

Just checked, his constituency is in south birmingham, he has two homes in east birmingham, sutton coldfield is nroth birmingham and sandwell is in the black country in north west of birmingham.

Assuming he went from home, its probably a 30 mile trip (Ram59 can no doubt give a better estimate).

[Trickytreesreds]

Erm...the thread is about ‘Cummings’ Press Statement’.

I don’t defend Ali attending a funeral with 100 other mourners. Seems ridiculous and equally wrong, but I don’t even know who Ali is...he certainly isn’t an ‘archtect’ of the rules that have been broken.

Why don't you? Didn't the Guardian cover it? I wonder why?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52154327

[ramAnag]

Why don't you? Didn't the Guardian cover it? I wonder why?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-52154327

No idea whether the Guardian covered it or not. Probably did.
Neither am I sure which bit of ‘seems ridiculous and equally wrong’ you don’t understand.

I do recognise ‘deflection’ when I see it though, so on a thread entitled ‘Cummings Press Statement’ should we stick to that?
Then if you want to start a similar thread about ‘Ali Funeral Statement’ that’s up to you.

In the meantime...when someone helps design a slogan telling everyone to ‘Stay at Home’, ‘Protect the NHS’, ‘Save Lives’, maybe, just maybe, he should abide by it, and reconsider the wisdom of - while allegedly suffering from Covid-19 - travelling 260 miles to his elderly parents farm because his wife had thrown up and he didn’t feel very well, and then going for a thirty mile jaunt to a local beauty spot to sit by the river and check his eyesight.

[Trickytreesreds]

No idea whether the Guardian covered it or not. Probably did.
Neither am I sure which bit of ‘seems ridiculous and equally wrong’ you don’t understand.

I do recognise ‘deflection’ when I see it though, so on a thread entitled ‘Cummings Press Statement’ should we stick to that?
Then if you want to start a similar thread about ‘Ali Funeral Statement’ that’s up to you.

In the meantime...when someone helps design a slogan telling everyone to ‘Stay at Home’, ‘Protect the NHS’, ‘Save Lives’, maybe, just maybe, he should abide by it, and reconsider the wisdom of - while allegedly suffering from Covid-19 - travelling 260 miles to his elderly parents farm because his wife had thrown up and he didn’t feel very well, and then going for a thirty mile jaunt to a local beauty spot to sit by the river and check his eyesight.

RA, i concur with a lot about what you've said. But why just Cummings?
You do not have to explain to me what he did. I know and don't agree with it. Some can/will argue his reasons were valid.
I don't.
But there is a bigger picture here and all I see is a witch hunt. Technically, he did nothing wrong. Moralistically, yes he did.
But there is a delight in hounding him, with the ommitence of every other offender going.

Even Kinnock, he travelled because it was his dads birthday? Good reason? I don't think so.
Sorry, but it smacks of axe to grind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lc86JUAwwg

[ramAnag]

Tricky, I don’t care who they go after. If people broke the rules that’s their problem and I speak as someone who missed one of my son’s ‘landmark’ birthdays recently because I followed the rules.

In Kinnock’s case it seems he journeyed to his father’s home and socially distanced in the front garden. He was wrong, but he didn’t believe he had Coronavirus and he didn’t make any secret of it. Neither, as an opposition MP, was he a fundamental part of the rule/slogan making process.

We’re going round and round in circles and frankly it’s become very boring, but I’ll just add this point of information.
This afternoon I had cause to drive through Matlock Bath and to Chatsworth. The obvious question at both places was ‘lockdown...what lockdown?’
I don’t know to what extent the two are linked, but I suspect Cummings’ behaviour has left people thinking that if the ‘elite’ don’t have to stay at home or alert then neither do they.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, I don’t care who they go after. If people broke the rules that’s their problem and I speak as someone who missed one of my son’s ‘landmark’ birthdays recently because I followed the rules.

In Kinnock’s case it seems he journeyed to his father’s home and socially distanced in the front garden. He was wrong, but he didn’t believe he had Coronavirus and he didn’t make any secret of it. Neither, as an opposition MP, was he a fundamental part of the rule/slogan making process.

We’re going round and round in circles and frankly it’s become very boring, but I’ll just add this point of information.
This afternoon I had cause to drive through Matlock Bath and to Chatsworth. The obvious question at both places was ‘lockdown...what lockdown?’
I don’t know to what extent the two are linked, but I suspect Cummings’ behaviour has left people thinking that if the ‘elite’ don’t have to stay at home or alert then neither do they.

I think that's been going on for a while mucker.
I doubt that bikers have Dominic Cummings in their minds.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/17/villa...ules-12717908/

[Trickytreesreds]

This is what I am talking about, hypocrisy at its finest

Well done Sir Ian. we your insight.


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