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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggieSingh View Post
    So you wont back an issue until they fix the whole issue everywhere around the world
    How do you eat an elephant ?? Whole? or in bite sized chunks??

    Watch this and see what they are up against in the US - https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741

    There is systematic racism and enslavement for economic gains in the name of the war on drugs, or fear
    Any right thinking person would support a campaign that tried to end what happened to George Floyd. Problem is the campaign has been hijacked and BLM are doing exactly what you say shouldn't be done and instead of focusing George Floyd we are now talking about statues of revered Englishmen, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, historical slavery, protesters ignoring social distancing etc.

    The result is instead of BLM gaining my support I have become defensive and resentful.

    And on the subject of elephants the one in the room right now is that blokes like me can't express views without being considered racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9goals2hattricks3pen View Post
    Any right thinking person would support a campaign that tried to end what happened to George Floyd. Problem is the campaign has been hijacked and BLM are doing exactly what you say shouldn't be done and instead of focusing George Floyd we are now talking about statues of revered Englishmen, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, historical slavery, protesters ignoring social distancing etc.

    The result is instead of BLM gaining my support I have become defensive and resentful.

    And on the subject of elephants the one in the room right now is that blokes like me can't express views without being considered racist.
    Also in the US especially the issue is not just George Floyd And the knee on his neck but more what Al Sharpton said the systematic knee on all black peoples neck in the US

    Seriously please watch that documentary it will show you something of how unfair the whole system is

    If hundreds of thousands of families lose a father figure for trivial reasons and sees a system that oppressed them and wants to enslave them
    That has a knock on effect and will become a self filling prophecy for both black and white in society

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaggieSingh View Post
    Also in the US especially the issue is not just George Floyd And the knee on his neck but more what Al Sharpton said the systematic knee on all black peoples neck in the US

    Seriously please watch that documentary it will show you something of how unfair the whole system is

    If hundreds of thousands of families lose a father figure for trivial reasons and sees a system that oppressed them and wants to enslave them
    That has a knock on effect and will become a self filling prophecy for both black and white in society
    I think you have the wrong tense with 'wants to enslave them' and it's not quite 100,000's. And the biggest reason black kids lose their fathers is they bu gger off and leave them. Perhaps that is why so many of them are murders.

    The vast majority of black people murdered in the US are murdered by black people. The vast majority of enslaved people in the world right now are being enslaved by Africans.

    Do you not get that as a white man I feel demonised by what is going on and instead of gaining my support I stopped listening.

    One thing we can all agree on it's pretty shocking after all these years that we haven't even come close to getting it right.
    Last edited by 9goals2hattricks3pen; 20-06-2020 at 10:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9goals2hattricks3pen View Post
    I think you have the wrong tense with 'wants to enslave them' and it's not quite 100,000's. And the biggest reason black kids lose their fathers is they bu gger off and leave them. Perhaps that is why so many of them are murders.

    The vast majority of black people murdered in the US are murdered by black people. The vast majority of enslaved people in the world right now are being enslaved by Africans.

    Do you not get that as a white man I feel demonised by what is going on and instead of gaining my support I stopped listening.

    One thing we can all agree on it's pretty shocking after all these years that we haven't even come close to getting it right.
    to put your mind at peace, its not individuals that are the issue here its the narrative (the divide / we are different / keep them down narrative is the issue)
    you as an individual have had the same influences and for want of a better word the brainwashing - that we r different and we hate u,
    in actual fact most people are like minded and the same

    The penal system in America is a way of enslaving BAME and poor people simple as that and lots of fat cats makes billions out of that and it certainly is hundreds of thousands if not millions affected by being incorrectly incarcerated for crimes that others would have got away with.
    Look at how the US government in the 80s / 90s treated cocaine & crack, same thing one is cheaper and more processed, difference is poor black people are more likely to do one and rich white people and more likely to do the other

    I cant believe you are generalising so much black guys are murderers and run off and leave their kids?
    There are factors in play here (incarceration for petty crime, poor schooling & education, lack of support, financial restrictions, lack of support from the government and society in general, being made to appear to be different and criminals, or beasts / rapists /drug dealers etc)

    Im not saying it doesnt happen elsewhere, but other countries arent bombing other places telling them what to do

    Just try and look deeper than the Bull**** you are fed, expand your mind to at least investigate what is happening
    Last edited by BaggieSingh; 20-06-2020 at 10:55 AM.

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