O/T Well it looks like White Lives don't matter.

[Shark27]

She has a point (I think her name is Priyamvada Gopal). Her comment gets to the very heart of the matter in my opinion - which is why I posted it.* I made a similar comment in a couple of my earlier posts.

White European Colonial Privilege has endured worldwide the past 300 to 400 years. Global structures are in place geared to maintain an economic stranglehold and to keep black, Asian and white working class kids in their place; all to serve post Imperial economies.* China is posing the first real threat to that World order and why it's the modern day villian (Trump has used the pandemic strategically as a counter punch by fixing the blame on China).

Britain is the largest, most recent Military Imperial force. It left its mark on the world. Many Colonial influences still exist; problems of racial segregation and mass transportation are yet to be resolved. The process to independence and building national wealth is restricted (the majority living in former colonies have not benefitted from first world privilege).

I see it as sustemic economic and cultural oppression over centuries.

It's not about seeing things in terms of induvidual racist behaviour. Racist behaviour is largely irrelevant. By and large people in the UK are tolorant. There is huge resentment with being labelled by association. My point is that by alligning the debate through your own individual attitude misses the starting point - the start point is at national and global level.

In that sense I believe Gopal is spot on when she says "White lives don't matter. As white lives. Abolish whiteness. When I talk about abolishing whiteness, I talk about political practices and ideologies. Systems of oppression, whether white or brown, should be abolished. It's about abolishing a race hierarchy where whites are at the top."

She is talking about creating a fair society rather than wiping out the white race.*

BLM have a point. Although my feeling is that the majority of demonstrators dont even realise what it is they are against. What has happened in the last few weeks is wrong and, tactically, will prove to have been counter productive.* Black recounting stories of being called racist names have missed the point and is largely irrelevant.

I think Gopal actually nails the start point and where we should be having the debate.*

Wars, battles, invasions, occupations have occurred throughout human history by all races.

We have got to where we are now. It is said that we all come from Africa.

Is there a reason why black priveledge hasn't dominated for the last 400 years? Is it geography? Temperature? The human body?

Do we have to abolish all 'colourness' in order to try and achieve what she wants or would we find that in 400 years time whiteness is still turning the screws?

How does she think abolishing whiteness can be achieved? Has she given any examples on where/how she would start?

[rolymiller]

It's easy to be selective with stats.

Do you think that the reason black households are poorer than white ones might have something to do with there being more single parent households than white people have?

Two incomes usually being higher than one.

Therefore how is BLM UK wanting to destroy nuclear families going to help?

At least he has some . Where are yours?

[rolymiller]

Spain, Portugal, Germany, the Netherlands, France and Belgium all had colonial territories most of them put nothing back into the countries they occupied ( often very brutally) at least we built some infrastructure (some still survives today) but I can't see them apologising for anything.

I fact many US black soldiers died in Vietnam as a legacy of the mayhem France caused there.

Atrocities in the former Belgian Congo were eye watering.

Spain and Portugal had their conquistadors who basically raped and pillaged. Seville still has the slave market as a tourist attraction.

Germany and the Netherlands similarly looted large areas of Africa

But the apologising for history and making amends seems to be just a job for us

Who says that it is only us at fault.Many European nations are as guilty as us. They all need to put their house in order. It would be quite nice though for us to set a good example to the rest of europe by us doing it first do you think? Why can't we be world leader in creating fairness and justice for the oppressed. it would be a decent badge of honour to hold and one for others to aspire to.

[wendun]

Who says that it is only us at fault.Many European nations are as guilty as us. They all need to put their house in order

What does this mean. My mate has said he will sell his second car and give the money to BLM. My local Labour councillor has suggested that the party adopt a Manifesto pledge for a levy on white people - either through NI or Council Tax - with the money to go to BAME people as a concrete recognition of the evil we have done for so many centuries. I have sympathy with this view even though my ancestors came from Ireland and whose only experience of slavery was Viking and Moslem pirates taking Irish people as slaves for sale in Baghdad. We need to do something concrete I feel. Possibly a lemming like self-immolation of the white race might help. But then who would feed the others, who would clothe them, who would employ them. I don't know but I do know than when Lewis Hamilton, Idris Elba, Lenny Henry and Spike Lee tell me you can't get on as a black person we have to do something.

[Stovicmiller]

You have the history your betters selected for you , royalty , colonialism and imperialists .

You don't hear so much about Peterloo , the 1926 strike and working class social struggles .

You obviously have a inferior complex going on animal because there is nobody better than me. Doesn't matter how high born or how much money someone has, they are no better than me. Like I've said before it's no shame to be born in the gutter just a shame to want to stay there. What alot of people should do is get off their arse and make something of themselves instead of blaming others.

[Stovicmiller]

What does this mean. My mate has said he will sell his second car and give the money to BLM. My local Labour councillor has suggested that the party adopt a Manifesto pledge for a levy on white people - either through NI or Council Tax - with the money to go to BAME people as a concrete recognition of the evil we have done for so many centuries. I have sympathy with this view even though my ancestors came from Ireland and whose only experience of slavery was Viking and Moslem pirates taking Irish people as slaves for sale in Baghdad. We need to do something concrete I feel. Possibly a lemming like self-immolation of the white race might help. But then who would feed the others, who would clothe them, who would employ them. I don't know but I do know than when Lewis Hamilton, Idris Elba, Lenny Henry and Spike Lee tell me you can't get on as a black person we have to do something.

like that 👍

[wendun]

like that ��

Thank you.

[rolymiller]

What does this mean. My mate has said he will sell his second car and give the money to BLM. My local Labour councillor has suggested that the party adopt a Manifesto pledge for a levy on white people - either through NI or Council Tax - with the money to go to BAME people as a concrete recognition of the evil we have done for so many centuries. I have sympathy with this view even though .

Bit harsh on ordinary white people Monts. RICH white and black people yes that's fair enough.Maybe you can argue that a lot of present day rich people have their wealth still based on their forefathers exploitation of blacks during the slave trade years. I dunno you are the supposed historian...

What are you doing for BLM personally Monty? You don't even have to contribute monetarily you could just join the odd demo or two. You used to in the old days. Things aint changed, arguably they have got worse for the poor and repressed. Get ya sen a placard from the SWP and get ya sen down there it will be like the good old days. Maybe even see some of your old chums...

[great_fire]

At least he has some . Where are yours?

"Within each ethnic group monitored, the percentage of family types which are single parents are as follows: black (24%), mixed (19%), 'other' and white (both 10%) and Asian (8%)"

https://singleparentsonholiday.co.uk...s-and-figures/

[animallittle3]

You obviously have a inferior complex going on animal because there is nobody better than me. Doesn't matter how high born or how much money someone has, they are no better than me. Like I've said before it's no shame to be born in the gutter just a shame to want to stay there. What alot of people should do is get off their arse and make something of themselves instead of blaming others.

Exactly the answer I was expecting from yourself .

So who was it that made it possible to actually pull yourself up and challenge the feudal position then ?

See many statues commending that ?

As I say you celebrate the history that was selected for you by your betters ..... fact .