O/T When the police go away, crime goes away.

[wendun]

You referred to a prevailing zeitgast on mm sympathising with BLM protests with your avator changed to reflect this zeitgast. Care to elaborate what else you meant if not that this blm sympathy was a majority view? Not that it really matters obviously, but it's been referred to by a few posters on here about a 'left wing gang"oblivious to the number of people with completely opposite views to this' gang' being more in number on here and with some quite extreme views amongst them.

Not ever questioned my living reality? Only 4 days ago on the 'Nelson' thread you said in relation to me:

"Fourth rule: always refer to personal experience, ie, as raging often says; "I believed you had a point BUT then I went into a classroom/staffroom/closet (doesn't matter which as it's all a lie anyway) and several Muslim/Chinese/Black/Transgender/Lesbian/Gay/persons of Colour (doesn't matter as they don't exist)"

Sounds a tad cynical old fruit but rather odd you seem to have forgotten it! I think you'd love my mate. I say 'brexity' as shorthand, but he'd certainly go along with your views on dealing with illegal immigrants ��

You are spouting nonsense. I can only repeat I have never questioned your existence as a teacher in London. I do, however, believe that you are making up all these conveniently supportive incidents with students and staff. Like John2 who has an inexhaustible supply of friends in all walks of life (which for a guy who only skis and speculates in ******* is good going) you have an inexhaustible supply of transgender, BAME, Muslim, asylum seeking, ex-slaves in your life who all pop up to support your opinions.
You are also conflating BLM support with left-wing. BLM is an opportunistic outfit supported by a bunch of white hypocrites who spout liberal views while securing every possible advantage for themselves and their children.

[Exiletyke]

My dear WanChai, good to hear from you. We seem, however, at cross purposes. I did not mention my gun at all in the context of the incident. I only mentioned it to highlight the fallacy of Exile's argument. I have a gun but it never crossed my mind to produce it, let alone use it, during an incident which I considered annoying but not dangerous. The two peddlers did threaten but I've been threatened many, many times and I can't think of an instance where I felt my life in danger.
The point about advocacy of legal gun ownership was I thought very clearly a reaction to what is an ongoing problem: the withdrawal of the police from the protection of the ordinary citizen. It can only get worse.

Argument?????

This is what I said
So presumably when they allegedly threatened you, had you had a gun you would have shot them?

It's a question

[ragingpup]

You are spouting nonsense. I can only repeat I have never questioned your existence as a teacher in London. I do, however, believe that you are making up all these conveniently supportive incidents with students and staff. Like John2 who has an inexhaustible supply of friends in all walks of life (which for a guy who only skis and speculates in ******* is good going) you have an inexhaustible supply of transgender, BAME, Muslim, asylum seeking, ex-slaves in your life who all pop up to support your opinions.
You are also conflating BLM support with left-wing. BLM is an opportunistic outfit supported by a bunch of white hypocrites who spout liberal views while securing every possible advantage for themselves and their children.

Ok, if you accept that I do in fact work in an inner London college, which is made up of 80% black students and approx 40% black workforce why do you think that I am making up incidents or accounts of my discussions with my colleagues and students, and referring to these in discussions that affect their lives? What kind of imaginary situations do you think that I am making up? Don't you think it likely that in inner London you are likely also to have workers Muslim workers and that I am likely (as a senior manager who directs many of them) that I am likely to discuss their experiences also? What exactly am I making up do you think? Be specific

[wendun]

Specifically this. On many, many occasions you have stated something to the effect as follows. "Howdy/Kerr/Uncle Tom Cobley you make some good points and I had some sympathy with them BUT (BUT, BUT) yesterday I walked into a classroom/staffroom/closet/toilet/bordello (whatever) and several Muslim/BAME/transgender/asylum seeker students/staff/friends/associates/subordinates came to me weeping with outrage at how they and their families had been enslaved/butchered/kept down (whatever) by the EVIL WHITEY. To the point (almost but not regrettably quite) that although they had come to this country voluntarily and stayed here voluntarily unless EVIL WHITEY gave them more of what they wanted they would leave or think about leaving or whatever.

[CAMiller]

I found this one interesting yesterday. Even after this body/dash cam video was released showing a guy pull out a gun, unbelievably fire and miss the police officer from a couple of feet and then get shot dead, the BLM protesters were proclaiming he didn't deserve to be shot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPO1sGN7OQ

[ragingpup]

Specifically this. On many, many occasions you have stated something to the effect as follows. "Howdy/Kerr/Uncle Tom Cobley you make some good points and I had some sympathy with them BUT (BUT, BUT) yesterday I walked into a classroom/staffroom/closet/toilet/bordello (whatever) and several Muslim/BAME/transgender/asylum seeker students/staff/friends/associates/subordinates came to me weeping with outrage at how they and their families had been enslaved/butchered/kept down (whatever) by the EVIL WHITEY. To the point (almost but not regrettably quite) that although they had come to this country voluntarily and stayed here voluntarily unless EVIL WHITEY gave them more of what they wanted they would leave or think about leaving or whatever.

But don't you think it likely that if you work as a leader in an inner London college with large numbers of BAME people, and as ever small numbers of gay/trans etc, why is it so difficult to believe that such discussions would take place?

I don't blame white people alive now and all this evil whitey crap. Just sounds like a hyper sensitive old white guy venting spleen to me

[Exiletyke]

I found this one interesting yesterday. Even after this body/dash cam video was released showing a guy pull out a gun, unbelievably fire and miss the police officer from a couple of feet and then get shot dead, the BLM protesters were proclaiming he didn't deserve to be shot!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjPO1sGN7OQ

Isn't that what happens when citizenry is armed
Police should be only ones armed [& were not at fault here]
France,Spain,Portugal for instance
but the Yanks will defend to the end their right to bear arms

[WanChaiMiller]

My dear WanChai, good to hear from you. We seem, however, at cross purposes. I did not mention my gun at all in the context of the incident. I only mentioned it to highlight the fallacy of Exile's argument. I have a gun but it never crossed my mind to produce it, let alone use it, during an incident which I considered annoying but not dangerous. The two peddlers did threaten but I've been threatened many, many times and I can't think of an instance where I felt my life in danger.
The point about advocacy of legal gun ownership was I thought very clearly a reaction to what is an ongoing problem: the withdrawal of the police from the protection of the ordinary citizen. It can only get worse.

Ok. Your post doesnt read like like. Waiting for the posse to jump on my back.

How, where and when does the gun come into play?

[CAMiller]

Isn't that what happens when citizenry is armed
Police should be only ones armed [& were not at fault here]
France,Spain,Portugal for instance
but the Yanks will defend to the end their right to bear arms

TBH I think the right to bear arms is supposed to be to protect yourself and family when threatened, not to shoot a police officer when he catches you in the middle of a drug deal but obviously it does mean guns are readily available either legally (but getting harder to acquire) or illegally. At a house warming party near us last night, some bloke got pissed up and started stabbing people, injuring 2 and killing one. Another party guest pulled out a gun and shot him dead. Right or wrong?

PS This wasn't a ghetto party, it was in a high end apartment complex where rents are upward of $4,000/month.

[Exiletyke]

TBH I think the right to bear arms is supposed to be to protect yourself and family when threatened, not to shoot a police officer when he catches you in the middle of a drug deal but obviously it does mean guns are readily available either legally (but getting harder to acquire) or illegally. At a house warming party near us last night, some bloke got pissed up and started stabbing people, injuring 2 and killing one. Another party guest pulled out a gun and shot him dead. Right or wrong?

PS This wasn't a ghetto party, it was in a high end apartment complex where rents are upward of $4,000/month.

CAM i defer to your knowledge of guns in the US getting harder to acquire but this news article would appear to suggest otherwise
[I appreciate its a BBC article so obviously not reliable according to some on here]