O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[drillerpie]

I just can't fathom how we're in mid July and England still hasn't made masks compulsory.

[countygump]

I just can't fathom how we're in mid July and England still hasn't made masks compulsory.

Neither can I.

There's ample science that they help, especially with preventing the transmission of Covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

[Old_pie]

Neither can I.

There's ample science that they help, especially with preventing the transmission of Covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

Extracts fall short of ample science:

"Cloth face coverings may help prevent people who have COVID-19 from spreading the virus to others."
"Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of COVID-19 when they are widely used by people in public settings."

Whilst it seems logical at first sight many people would also think it is logical that a big stone would fall faster than a medium sized stone.

Anyways it sounds as if the Llama is going to come to the rescue.

[Elite_Pie]

Extracts fall short of ample science:

"Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of COVID-19 when they are widely used by people in public settings."

Even though it may fall short of ample science, when you read that particular statement as the person in charge do you go for the safety first option and make face coverings mandatory? Or do you dither, offer conflicting messages, and hope someone else sorts it?

[Old_pie]

Even though it may fall short of ample science, when you read that particular statement as the person in charge do you go for the safety first option and make face coverings mandatory? Or do you dither, offer conflicting messages, and hope someone else sorts it?

I've long advocated the study of the UK Chinese communities who were wearing masks in Jan/Feb but I don't think it's been done. I've now learnt that the nice masks with a valve, which I bought a few weeks ago, are not recommended - because of the valve!! If you watch the F1 drivers being interviewed not one can go 20secs without adjusting their mask. People will stuff their Covid laden masks in their handbag, pocket etc and take it home with them, or take it out with them the next time they go out. To respond to your question - it may on the balance make a difference. The obvious route is to "suck it and see" but then if there is a "U" turn based on new and changing evidence the likes of you will come along and question how the Government could have got it wrong.

Unlike Notts the issue is not Black or White (can I express things in those terms anymore?) and the balance of opinion, which has shifted, is that it probably might be better but overall - as the current statistics show as the current policies are (albeit belatedly) working except in Leic (where I might be accused of being racists if I expressed why) - any difference may be smaller than expected and efforts better spent elsewhere. Sid can clean that sentence up for me, past my bedtime.

[Elite_Pie]

I've long advocated the study of the UK Chinese communities who were wearing masks in Jan/Feb but I don't think it's been done. I've now learnt that the nice masks with a valve, which I bought a few weeks ago, are not recommended - because of the valve!! If you watch the F1 drivers being interviewed not one can go 20secs without adjusting their mask. People will stuff their Covid laden masks in their handbag, pocket etc and take it home with them, or take it out with them the next time they go out. To respond to your question - it may on the balance make a difference. The obvious route is to "suck it and see" but then if there is a "U" turn based on new and changing evidence the likes of you will come along and question how the Government could have got it wrong.

Maybe, but the science behind the wearing or not wearing of face masks wasn't really my point. My point was the hopeless lack of any clear direction once again from the government. Just tell us we have to wear them or tell us we don't and I'll comply. It's staggering that two of the most senior government ministers are saying different things, and equally staggering that it's being brought in 11DAYS FROM NOW! If the current thinking is that it will help stop the spread of the virus, why the f@ck is it being delayed that long?

[i961pie]

Maybe, but the science behind the wearing or not wearing of face masks wasn't really my point. My point was the hopeless lack of any clear direction once again from the government. Just tell us we have to wear them or tell us we don't and I'll comply. It's staggering that two of the most senior government ministers are saying different things, and equally staggering that it's being brought in 11DAYS FROM NOW! If the current thinking is that it will help stop the spread of the virus, why the f@ck is it being delayed that long?

Can't agree more, obviously just offering advice doesn't work, just look at what happened at Bournemouth beach.
The public have to given clear instructions what they have to do.

[Old_pie]

Maybe, but the science behind the wearing or not wearing of face masks wasn't really my point. My point was the hopeless lack of any clear direction once again from the government. Just tell us we have to wear them or tell us we don't and I'll comply. It's staggering that two of the most senior government ministers are saying different things, and equally staggering that it's being brought in 11DAYS FROM NOW! If the current thinking is that it will help stop the spread of the virus, why the f@ck is it being delayed that long?

You might comply but judging by other recent posts on here many won't and are not and we don't have sufficient police to enforce. The issue is now beyond contracting the disease or not. Much harm is being done in other areas and some of that harm is costing lives too.

So yes it would be nice if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet and it would be nicer if those writing the "science" for the hymn sheets were consistent. To crib from a well known phrase or saying ".. because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."

[Elite_Pie]

I just can't fathom how we're in mid July and England still hasn't made masks compulsory.

This pub quiz question may help you:

Q. Give two examples of the common phrase 'bordering on stupidity'.

A. Scotland and Wales. Canada and Mexico also score a point.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I just can't fathom how we're in mid July and England still hasn't made masks compulsory.

It seems a decision has finally been made and they will now be mandatory in shops and supermarkets from 24th July.

It probably would have been better to implement it before shops reopened to be clear to the public? It is still 11 days away before it comes into force.