O/T Coronavirus Thread (4)

[CAMiller]

Yeah, but those 46,000 deaths occurred WITH a lockdown. That's the reason we had a it, without which the numbers would almost certainly have been in the many hundreds of thousands.

We seem to have short memories.

On the recording of deaths, certainly needs resolving but I'm not convinced it will have had that big of an impact on the numbers.

Deaths in our State at around 1400 were reduced by 25 last week as they were attributed to people who had Covid but had actually died by homicide. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing?

[KerrAvon]

By that logic, don't you think that several thousand on Bournemouth beach a few weeks ago would have seen a spike in the surrounding areas there?

The risk on beaches is limited by air movement and the very high ultraviolet light levels. Of more concern arises from any cafes or public loos serving the people on the beach. Coupled with that, as many of the people were travelling to the beach, any 'spike' would be geographically distributed and hard to detect.

If large numbers of people congregated in a building for a funeral, that was irresponsible.

[KerrAvon]

No, I think you're right, that one funeral with 250 attendees is definitely the cause. Good job we've got captain great fire to solve these mysteries!

It's funny how some of the same people who got upset about Cummings are willing to dismiss the risks that would be associated with 250 people attending a funeral. Can you explain it?

[flourbasher]

The amount of garbage left on the Bournemouth beaches was an absolute disgrace and is sad reflection of the attitude of some UK citizens.
It wasn't just a few people as there were tonnes of waste just discarded and left.
It would have been bad enough in normal times but with the virus it was effectively a bio hazard.
Many people had to clear that up thereby risking their own lives in doing so and also the residents of the town whilst it was all blowing around in the wind

Thoughtless, selfish and a menace to society

[John2]

It's funny how some of the same people who got upset about Cummings are willing to dismiss the risks that would be associated with 250 people attending a funeral. Can you explain it?

Seriously?

You want to start this, another misrepresentation of my position, you didn't even reply to my challenge of your misrepresenting me in the previous thread yet.

My upset with Cummings wasn't the health risk per se that his going to Barnard Castle would create.

It was his disregard for the rules as someone who was in the position of creating them and the impact that would have in undermining the enforcement of them.

In my post here, I have not condoned the funeral. It was wrong and shouldn't have happened. However I used sarcasm to illustrate that clearly this single incident will not be responsible for the spike in Blackburn, which clearly it isn't.

Cumming's actions were outrageous because they undermined the government messaging, which is an enabler of breaches like this.

Does that explain my position?

Revisit threads from the time and I'm confident it will confirm this account.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

250 people went to a mosque for a funeral in Blackburn on July 13 and now looks like Blackburn has overtaken Leicester for the highest number of Covid cases.

Concidence?

No

High number of Asians, or high number of eastern Europeans raises the covid risk factor dramatically.

They are cultures that don't give a toss and carry on as they always have, mosque or no mosque

[great_fire]

No

High number of Asians, or high number of eastern Europeans raises the covid risk factor dramatically.

They are cultures that don't give a toss and carry on as they always have, mosque or no mosque

The local health expert did say it was spreading more in terraced houses with a lot of occupants.

The Imam at the funeral has tested positive.

[wendun]

The Blackburn funeral incident is symptomatic of an attitude of mind that is very much responsible for the high rates of infection. Local Muslim politicians complain now about "racism" and scapegoating. Pity they didn't use their influence to stop 250 attending a funeral.

[KerrAvon]

The local health expert did say it was spreading more in terraced houses with a lot of occupants.

The Imam at the funeral has tested positive.

It's okay. John has deemed that a single incidence of 250 people gathering together indoors will clearly not be responsible for the spike in Blackburn.

[ragingpup]

The risk on beaches is limited by air movement and the very high ultraviolet light levels. Of more concern arises from any cafes or public loos serving the people on the beach. Coupled with that, as many of the people were travelling to the beach, any 'spike' would be geographically distributed and hard to detect.

If large numbers of people congregated in a building for a funeral, that was irresponsible.

I would have thought that the virus, if present, would be widely spread around the interiors of everything that the thousands touched and shared with the whole town population who in turn would have been very present on the beach and using the facilities. A virus doesn't distinguish between day trippers and locals, there would have been a huge spreadaround and remnants left in the locality as well as it taken back with them.

Agreed on the irresponsibility of the funeral organisers though.