Cryne Family Statement

[animallittle3]

What has Chien done though Animal that is so radically progressive that people now think, "You know what. That's the change we needed to get this football club where we want to be. That's the kick in the arse we needed and we are now heading for success".
As far as I can see he has bought our debt free club on the cheap, amongst other club purchases in Europe with probably more to come. He hasn't even kept up the promised scheduled payments to buy our club.
Football ambition is hampered by a deliberate policy of buying young, selling and recycling the squad every two years. There is no intention of gradually building a team by retaining the better players and adding one or two each season.
Using your analogy I can't see many fans stood in a hall listening to Chien and thinking, "You know what, what this bloke is saying is just what we needed to hear at this club" and bursting out into applause.

This is one of things in the Spud Podcast SB , there is no slow build towards building a team or even retaining the services of an HC .

The answer is you cant if you are the size of club we are and the way football is with vast turnover of players .

The stability is in the model , the style of play chosen that we all like and players recruited to suit that style .

What you have is an identity and a clear plan of action instead of bouncing between players asked to play different styles and coaches tasking them with it , a patchwork quilt .

This is the best we can be whilst remaining in budget and if everyone else within this mental league did the same and there are supposedly rules in place to say they should then maybe we'd do better than we have thus far .

My point is , it's not actually the clubs fault , its football itself that is fundamentally crooked .

Don't get me wrong I don't particularly find them nice people myself , they are arrogant and don't communicate too well and they hide their financial accounts in Hong Kong , very shady to say the least .

They are from a different business culture , which is brash , arrogant , ruthless and aggressive and this is a small town championship club meaning we are always going to butt heads because all of the above are traits we don't care for around these parts .

They are supreme capitalists , the club learns to stand on its own feet financially or it dies because they aren't putting one cent in , that's capitalism at its highest denominator , again it clashes with UK football culture because we expect our clubs to be financially taken care of and many seem to believe they should be bankrolled beyond their real capabilities .

We see heritage , they see business , naturally we aren't on the same page , they are here to make money , again not exactly how we see football clubs but that's how Americans view sports clubs and have done for over 50 years .

What we see as evil is perfectly normal to them and in all honesty little wonder they are falling out with everyone because the UK football business is crooked , it is bent and it leaves much to be desired on many levels .

I ain't ever going to like em but I'm trying to understand them .

[Exiletyke]

I'm sure if someone had failed to keep the agreed schedule of payments for buying something you owned Ziles you would be "on it". It is not the role of a minority shareholder to make statements on behalf of the "Club", as Dane defines it in his Official Statement. What statements do Hung and Parveen make as minority shareholders ?
As I recall when Barnsley went into administration in 2003/4, despite a lot of hot air, no one was willing to buy Barnsley FC. It wasn't like when Chien rocked up when we were debt free and going cheap. I honestly can't remember what Cryne paid but he was immediately lumbered with paying off creditors which could be argued was part of the price. In the subsequent 14 years Cryne has bankrolled the club, some quietly, some as a loan eventually totalling £6 million of his own money, for which he was rightly paid back.
The idea that Cryne being paid £8 million for a club he had kept going for 14 years, and not receiving that money from these chancers, is not my notion of profiteering.
Please tell me Ziles what Cryne did pay but also add the amount he had to pay to creditors to get the club running again.

There would be nowt wrong with the Crynes giving their opinions on the way they see the club should be going
Hung & Parveen are not held in the "esteem" that you ascribe to the Crynes who love our club dearly & a lot of Crynes contribution was in the form of acting as guarantor for loans
When the club went into admin you know that creditors as usual would get the sh1t end of the stick [ see Wigan as a reference for example]
getting only a few bob in the pound unless of course PC paid them every penny they were owed
I also note that you are more than eager to accept £8 million & not the £20 million we were told at the time of the sale
In terms of what Cryne paid it's like most things football just like Trumps outpourings We'll never know

[SBRed48]

There would be nowt wrong with the Crynes giving their opinions on the way they see the club should be going
Hung & Parveen are not held in the "esteem" that you ascribe to the Crynes who love our club dearly & a lot of Crynes contribution was in the form of acting as guarantor for loans
When the club went into admin you know that creditors as usual would get the sh1t end of the stick [ see Wigan as a reference for example]
getting only a few bob in the pound unless of course PC paid them every penny they were owed
I also note that you are more than eager to accept £8 million & not the £20 million we were told at the time of the sale
In terms of what Cryne paid it's like most things football just like Trumps outpourings We'll never know

I accept the £8 million Ziles because that's what was said as the purchase price in the first sentence of Dane's Official Statement two or three days ago. The £20 mill was Press conjecture, never confirmed.

Don't forget that "football" creditors ie players wages owed and monies owed to other clubs had, as now, to be paid in full and were first in line. True the local sandwich shop supplying the player's meals could whistle.

[Exiletyke]

I accept the £8 million Ziles because that's what was said as the purchase price in the first sentence of Dane's Official Statement two or three days ago. The £20 mill was Press conjecture, never confirmed.

Don't forget that "football" creditors ie players wages owed and monies owed to other clubs had, as now, to be paid in full and were first in line. True the local sandwich shop supplying the player's meals could whistle.

So on this occasion you are prepared to accept the word of this man you have often derided [rightly so in my opinion]

[Barnsley Chop]

This is one of things in the Spud Podcast SB , there is no slow build towards building a team or even retaining the services of an HC .

The answer is you cant if you are the size of club we are and the way football is with vast turnover of players .

The stability is in the model , the style of play chosen that we all like and players recruited to suit that style .

What you have is an identity and a clear plan of action instead of bouncing between players asked to play different styles and coaches tasking them with it , a patchwork quilt .

This is the best we can be whilst remaining in budget and if everyone else within this mental league did the same and there are supposedly rules in place to say they should then maybe we'd do better than we have thus far .

My point is , it's not actually the clubs fault , its football itself that is fundamentally crooked .

Don't get me wrong I don't particularly find them nice people myself , they are arrogant and don't communicate too well and they hide their financial accounts in Hong Kong , very shady to say the least .

They are from a different business culture , which is brash , arrogant , ruthless and aggressive and this is a small town championship club meaning we are always going to butt heads because all of the above are traits we don't care for around these parts .

They are supreme capitalists , the club learns to stand on its own feet financially or it dies because they aren't putting one cent in , that's capitalism at its highest denominator , again it clashes with UK football culture because we expect our clubs to be financially taken care of and many seem to believe they should be bankrolled beyond their real capabilities .

We see heritage , they see business , naturally we aren't on the same page , they are here to make money , again not exactly how we see football clubs but that's how Americans view sports clubs and have done for over 50 years .

What we see as evil is perfectly normal to them and in all honesty little wonder they are falling out with everyone because the UK football business is crooked , it is bent and it leaves much to be desired on many levels .

I ain't ever going to like em but I'm trying to understand them .

Good post Animal

[SBRed48]

So on this occasion you are prepared to accept the word of this man you have often derided [rightly so in my opinion]

I can't imagine Dane, as CEO, lying about such a factual matter in a written, public Official Statement on behalf of the Barnsley Football Club. I can imagine him pillakin and spinning things when asked questions.

[Exiletyke]

I can't imagine Dane, as CEO, lying about such a factual matter in a written, public Official Statement on behalf of the Barnsley Football Club. I can imagine him pillakin and spinning things when asked questions.

Just a part time liar then?

[animallittle3]

I can't imagine Dane, as CEO, lying about such a factual matter in a written, public Official Statement on behalf of the Barnsley Football Club. I can imagine him pillakin and spinning things when asked questions.

Spud is a very intelligent and ambitious kid , he was thinking about his future long before he retired from football and had the nous about him to get himself connected so he could remain in the game once his playing days were over .

He went to Germany as a young player to test himself and see how good he really was , he struggled initially and then found a way and also found time to complete his university education .

There's a lot to like about him to be honest because life's given him nowt without the willingness to travel abroad , test himself , work extremely hard and fulfill the goals he's set himself .

He's the front of house at the club , he ain't going to disrespect his employers but there's more depth to him too .

He does need to communicate more because when he does he comes across extremely well and I view that as an asset because I can imagine that kind of personality can land players at this club who were maybe undecided when an approach was made .

On what I've heard from him I don't mind the lad but he does need to communicate far more than he does .

[pass_and_move]

Spud is a very intelligent and ambitious kid , he was thinking about his future long before he retired from football and had the nous about him to get himself connected so he could remain in the game once his playing days were over .

He went to Germany as a young player to test himself and see how good he really was , he struggled initially and then found a way and also found time to complete his university education .

There's a lot to like about him to be honest because life's given him nowt without the willingness to travel abroad , test himself , work extremely hard and fulfill the goals he's set himself .

He's the front of house at the club , he ain't going to disrespect his employers but there's more depth to him too .

He does need to communicate more because when he does he comes across extremely well and I view that as an asset because I can imagine that kind of personality can land players at this club who were maybe undecided when an approach was made .

On what I've heard from him I don't mind the lad but he does need to communicate far more than he does .

Agreed. I took a few things on board from listening to him too. I'm trusting my gut and genuinely think he has much to offer this club in the role he occupies. It helps that he was a former professional footballer too. Give me him over Goat or Mansford anyday

[animallittle3]

Agreed. I took a few things on board from listening to him too. I'm trusting my gut and genuinely think he has much to offer this club in the role he occupies. It helps that he was a former professional footballer too. Give me him over Goat or Mansford anyday

It goes along way with me too Pass does a playing career .

Good point mate .