Face Masks not stopping the spread of Coronavirus.

[Mudskipper]

Just read an interesting article about a recent holiday in Sweden, no masks, no lockdown but washing hands and carry on as normal. Deaths per 100k of population right in the middle of worst countries and best countries. Restaurants schools and society carried on. There must be more to it than that but it does seem odd that our of xperience which has killed our economy was considerably worse than Swedens.

On another note the Two Sisters factory in Coupar Angus has several hundred workers. Why have approximately 10% of the work force showing signs of infections? I would have thought the numbers might have been much higher. If prompt action being taken has been deuces the infection rate that is a good thing, if however the virus has been present for some time why is the infection rate so low?

What proportion of the swedes are type 2 /fat/lazy /poor cardiovascular capacity ,just guessing that they will be significantly healthier than Scotland which wouldn’t be hard to be fair.

Have you ever been to Coupar Angus ,even the virus said nah!!!!!

[Returnofrros]

Just read an interesting article about a recent holiday in Sweden, no masks, no lockdown but washing hands and carry on as normal. Deaths per 100k of population right in the middle of worst countries and best countries. Restaurants schools and society carried on. There must be more to it than that but it does seem odd that our of xperience which has killed our economy was considerably worse than Swedens.

On another note the Two Sisters factory in Coupar Angus has several hundred workers. Why have approximately 10% of the work force showing signs of infections? I would have thought the numbers might have been much higher. If prompt action being taken has been deuces the infection rate that is a good thing, if however the virus has been present for some time why is the infection rate so low?

In anger on about Sweden all spring on dab mad but too many on there have the I love Nicola tats. To be fair there were two or three who were banging a similar drum.

Sweden also made huge errors 're care homes but we're much more pragmatic 're schools and the general healthy population.

They will reap the benefits of keeping calm and carrying on.

[Returnofrros]

Should read I banged on about

[BCram]

What proportion of the swedes are type 2 /fat/lazy /poor cardiovascular capacity ,just guessing that they will be significantly healthier than Scotland which wouldn’t be hard to be fair.

Have you ever been to Coupar Angus ,even the virus said nah!!!!!

That's exacxtly the type of comparison that we should be looking at. Rross was banging on about this at the very start and there was quite a bit of discussion about how international comparisons can be meaningless. I think the Swedes have two other factorsd that worked in their favour. They have a bigger "work at home" economy than ours, and I believe they have many more single occupancy households. Italy for example has a tradition of multi-generational households which can lead to problems for the oldest generation.

[BCram]

In anger on about Sweden all spring on dab mad but too many on there have the I love Nicola tats. To be fair there were two or three who were banging a similar drum.

Sweden also made huge errors 're care homes but we're much more pragmatic 're schools and the general healthy population.

They will reap the benefits of keeping calm and carrying on.

That's why I brought the topic back. There was lots of comment that everything would blow up in the Swedes faces. So far they are better than us which is not what was predicted. We need to look at the reasons. I regret that I am coming to the conclusion that we are deliberately being guided through this virus using a strategy that is actually going to deliver a population that has no immunity to the virus, will suffer considerable distress if it comes back this winter and will create much public unrest. This possible chaos might suit some political parties but I find it very depressing to contemplate that any politician in Britain would think that so much econmic destruction was a price worth paying to deliver a political goal.

I think Stewart Leitch has done his job brilliantly but there needs to be an additional instruction given to him, namely how can we get back to work. what changes can be made to allow a return to work initially for all civil/public servants. I think that been the problem with much of what we, in the private sector have been asked to do. It's impossible to run a business profitably on for example, 1/3rd capacity.

Get Holyrood and Westminster full, with all politicians and the civil service working as normal. Let them demonstrate how it can be done.

[Mudskipper]

That's why I brought the topic back. There was lots of comment that everything would blow up in the Swedes faces. So far they are better than us which is not what was predicted. We need to look at the reasons. I regret that I am coming to the conclusion that we are deliberately being guided through this virus using a strategy that is actually going to deliver a population that has no immunity to the virus, will suffer considerable distress if it comes back this winter and will create much public unrest. This possible chaos might suit some political parties but I find it very depressing to contemplate that any politician in Britain would think that so much econmic destruction was a price worth paying to deliver a political goal.

I think Stewart Leitch has done his job brilliantly but there needs to be an additional instruction given to him, namely how can we get back to work. what changes can be made to allow a return to work initially for all civil/public servants. I think that been the problem with much of what we, in the private sector have been asked to do. It's impossible to run a business profitably on for example, 1/3rd capacity.

Get Holyrood and Westminster full, with all politicians and the civil service working as normal. Let them demonstrate how it can be done.

BCram not sure if you mean Jason Leitch but I would prefer a microbiologist/virologist like say Hugh Pennington to be giving out the scientific advice but he doesn’t fit the narrative.

I think a few countries will possibly be envious of Sweden’s approach,not in deaths but at least they’re economy can probably be saved within a decade....

[islaydarkblue]

Name me 5 Scottish government ministers who have resigned due to not being up to the job?

As far as I am aware none. Not even Derek MacKay who eventually was forced to step down because of his misdemeanours and according to an article two weeks ago in the Business section of Sunday Times was still being paid.

[islaydarkblue]

Wrong again Islay, you're getting good at that.

This is the UK's generally accepted definition of a confined space as applied to legislation governing enclosed spaces - eg smoking and Covid

A place which is substantially enclosed (though not always entirely), and where serious injury can occur from hazardous substances or conditions within the space or nearby (e.g. lack of oxygen)'

All the food factories throughout the UK including Coupar Angus are fully enclosed on all four sides with a sealed roof. The politicians and the H and S so called ‘experts’ can twist things to suit themselves but anyone with any commonsense knows that we are not going to suffer from a lack of oxygen sitting in the stands at Dens Park.
We might freeze to death sitting there in the middle of winter and we might be bored out of our skulls due to poor fare on offer on the pitch but we will never die from a lack of oxygen.

[islaydarkblue]

BCram not sure if you mean Jason Leitch but I would prefer a microbiologist/virologist like say Hugh Pennington to be giving out the scientific advice but he doesn’t fit the narrative.

I think a few countries will possibly be envious of Sweden’s approach,not in deaths but at least they’re economy can probably be saved within a decade....

Jason Leitch has previously stated that he is a football fan but he has failed to mention which team and if he actually attends football matches during the season.
If so he should be telling ‘Nippy’ get the football grounds open to spectators as soon as possible especially as the Scottish Government’s mandatory wearing of face mask in shops and on public transport is not halting the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

[Returnofrros]

That's exacxtly the type of comparison that we should be looking at. Rross was banging on about this at the very start and there was quite a bit of discussion about how international comparisons can be meaningless. I think the Swedes have two other factorsd that worked in their favour. They have a bigger "work at home" economy than ours, and I believe they have many more single occupancy households. Italy for example has a tradition of multi-generational households which can lead to problems for the oldest generation.

You won't hear anything about Sweden on mainstream British tv......

They have handled it well.....imho