Annual GERS Figures

[noahrab]

Then you'll agree Scotland voted to remain in the EU?

No.

It was a Uk vote.

The Uk we voted to stay a part of in 2014.

[Deeranged]

No.

It was a Uk vote.

The Uk we voted to stay a part of in 2014.

Do you mean the UK that many of us voted to no longer be part of? The UK that Scotland originally became part of without a democratic vote but solely on the votes of noblemen who suddenly gained cash and lands in Yorkshire. That UK?

[hmac]

Do you mean the UK that many of us voted to no longer be part of? The UK that Scotland originally became part of without a democratic vote but solely on the votes of noblemen who suddenly gained cash and lands in Yorkshire. That UK?

Democracy is going with the majority right? The majority of people who voted in the Indy Ref wanted to remain part of the UK. It wasn't that long ago.

Until there is another referendum, and there surely will be at some point despite it being a so called once in a generation vote, i'm afraid Scotland chose to remain part of the Union.

Dress it up any old way, but that is the fact.

[BCram]

Democracy is going with the majority right? The majority of people who voted in the Indy Ref wanted to remain part of the UK. It wasn't that long ago.

Until there is another referendum, and there surely will be at some point despite it being a so called once in a generation vote, i'm afraid Scotland chose to remain part of the Union.

Dress it up any old way, but that is the fact.

completely agree with you hmac. there will be another referendum and the people of Scotland will decide. If it is for independnece then I cna't see the Unionists bothering to to start a campaign to Remain. There might well be some new politicial parties , not linked to England, and the same old discussions about socialism and capitalism will carry on. We might find ourselves moving away from the socialist dominated rhetoric of politicians that is based on making rich people poorer and find a Scandinavian ethic that makes everyone responsible for their own welfare and that of their fellow citizens.

[noahrab]

completely agree with you hmac. there will be another referendum and the people of Scotland will decide. If it is for independnece then I cna't see the Unionists bothering to to start a campaign to Remain. There might well be some new politicial parties , not linked to England, and the same old discussions about socialism and capitalism will carry on. We might find ourselves moving away from the socialist dominated rhetoric of politicians that is based on making rich people poorer and find a Scandinavian ethic that makes everyone responsible for their own welfare and that of their fellow citizens.

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

[BCram]

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

[BCram]

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

Need to correct this post. we did have a referendum on Brexit, forgot about David Cameron's referendum. there was a very simple economic arguement that never really got debunked even after the referendum had been lost by Cameron. the Brexit bus that said we pay £2bn a year to europe, that is equivalent to £350m EXTRA per week that we could give to the NHS. I don't think that is a lie. inso far as we did pay large sums of money into the system and got back less than we put in. there was also the take back control of our borders and our laws.

[islaydarkblue]

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

I voted Leave in the EU referendum because I was never in favour of the UK joining the EEC in the 1973. They should have kept President De Gaulle alive on a life support machine because he was the person who prevented the UK joining the EEC until after he died.
The EU leaders wanted our money but they do not like people from the UK because we do not accept what they say and give in gracefully.

[parcbara]

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

I would agree regarding the economic questions. It is clear that there still are no answers or they would have been out in the open. The figures will be much worse next year, and apart from anything else, any new currency will reduce the value of state pensions and will increase the cost of mortgages and also any goods that are traded in UK pounds or Euros.. Plus, realistically, Scotland just wouldn't be admitted to the EU for years. It cannot be a year 1 thing, or even a year 2 or 3 achievement either. The SNP have to address these issues with detailed answers if they are to have any hope of achieving independence.

[BCram]

I would agree regarding the economic questions. It is clear that there still are no answers or they would have been out in the open. The figures will be much worse next year, and apart from anything else, any new currency will reduce the value of state pensions and will increase the cost of mortgages and also any goods that are traded in UK pounds or Euros.. Plus, realistically, Scotland just wouldn't be admitted to the EU for years. It cannot be a year 1 thing, or even a year 2 or 3 achievement either. The SNP have to address these issues with detailed answers if they are to have any hope of achieving independence.

I don't think that it is true that independence will be chosen by the Scottish electorate when there is a sensible/realistic answer to the economic questions. i think there is more to it than just hard headed economic facts of life. There are people who want independence because they see it as a sensible way forward for Scotland. Remove the big Brother bully down south, let everyone be equal, live in a socialist Utopia, these are genuinely held beliefs for some Scots and economics plays no part in their thinking.

I think the idea that we are Better Together still has quite a lot of mileage and i am not convinced that independence will be for our greater good.