Annual GERS Figures

[Deeranged]

“We often have governments foisted upon us that we don't want (Tories) who dictate their policies, the policies voted for by the English electorate, to us. If you have policies forced upon you by an unelected government how else can you define it?“

What policies are dictated to us?

I mention health and education as they are the ones that use the biggest budgets.

Na, still no bitin'

[parcbara]

Any referendum will fail unless the SNP start coming up with answers to the economic conundrum. Honesty is required which is a trait sadly lacking in most politicians but more so the SNP. They rely on independence supporters being too thick to understand basic economics.

Anyway, won’t be one anytime soon.

I would agree regarding the economic questions. It is clear that there still are no answers or they would have been out in the open. The figures will be much worse next year, and apart from anything else, any new currency will reduce the value of state pensions and will increase the cost of mortgages and also any goods that are traded in UK pounds or Euros.. Plus, realistically, Scotland just wouldn't be admitted to the EU for years. It cannot be a year 1 thing, or even a year 2 or 3 achievement either. The SNP have to address these issues with detailed answers if they are to have any hope of achieving independence.

[BCram]

I would agree regarding the economic questions. It is clear that there still are no answers or they would have been out in the open. The figures will be much worse next year, and apart from anything else, any new currency will reduce the value of state pensions and will increase the cost of mortgages and also any goods that are traded in UK pounds or Euros.. Plus, realistically, Scotland just wouldn't be admitted to the EU for years. It cannot be a year 1 thing, or even a year 2 or 3 achievement either. The SNP have to address these issues with detailed answers if they are to have any hope of achieving independence.

I don't think that it is true that independence will be chosen by the Scottish electorate when there is a sensible/realistic answer to the economic questions. i think there is more to it than just hard headed economic facts of life. There are people who want independence because they see it as a sensible way forward for Scotland. Remove the big Brother bully down south, let everyone be equal, live in a socialist Utopia, these are genuinely held beliefs for some Scots and economics plays no part in their thinking.

I think the idea that we are Better Together still has quite a lot of mileage and i am not convinced that independence will be for our greater good.

[noahrab]

Na, still no bitin'

Not asking you to bite, just wondering what policies are dictated to us.

Can’t understand why you mention biting. I thought this thread was a good discussion but you seem to not want to defend or support your assertions.

[islaydarkblue]

You are right that the economic fundamentals are a problem that the indenpendence supporters have not managed to solve but I think the Brexit vote had the same flaws and yet it was voted through. The difference was that it wasn't a referendum where the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the EU or stay. They voted for political parties and the one that favoured Brexit on the ballot paper won.

I think that if we had had a referendum then the vote might have been in favour of Remain.

We have this situation in Scotland where many people vote for the SNP not because they want independence but because they represent something that is supposed to be distinctly Scottish and not part of either Labour, Conservatives or Lib-Dems.

I voted Leave in the EU referendum because I was never in favour of the UK joining the EEC in the 1973. They should have kept President De Gaulle alive on a life support machine because he was the person who prevented the UK joining the EEC until after he died.
The EU leaders wanted our money but they do not like people from the UK because we do not accept what they say and give in gracefully.

[islaydarkblue]

I'm not arguing that point H. If you read my post I said many not the majority.

The number that voted to split was too high to simply be ignored and waved away, it doesn't take much of a change to cause a swing the other way and that change has happened with the latest yougov poll now showing 53% of the population for independence. OK it's just a poll but if the UK government doesn't address the incompetence and corruption at its top that percentage will likely increase I reckon.

Nippy should dealing with the incompetence and corruption within her own government.

[islaydarkblue]

Need to correct this post. we did have a referendum on Brexit, forgot about David Cameron's referendum. there was a very simple economic arguement that never really got debunked even after the referendum had been lost by Cameron. the Brexit bus that said we pay £2bn a year to europe, that is equivalent to £350m EXTRA per week that we could give to the NHS. I don't think that is a lie. inso far as we did pay large sums of money into the system and got back less than we put in. there was also the take back control of our borders and our laws.

When we leave the EU on 31st December 2020 either with a trade deal or on WHO rules we will no longer have to hand over tariffs on goods imported to the UK to the EU in Brussels.
There is nothing to prevent the UK government scrapping all tariffs on imported goods wef 1st January 2021 as we will be no worse off.
What you did not have you never miss. Prices for imported goods in the supermarkets should fall due to a lack of tariffs which the EU have previously imposed to protect farmers particularly in France, Spain and Italy.

[islaydarkblue]

No, that's different incompetence. However if independence was gained there would be no SNP so their incompetence would be moot

Deeranged.
Incompetence would still take place in an independent Scotland.
You should know by now that people are promoted to their level of incompetence.

[Mudskipper]

Some pro independence voters reason is simply to be divorced from England and that’s as far as it goes ,doesn’t even get to finances...

[Deeranged]

Not asking you to bite, just wondering what policies are dictated to us.

Can’t understand why you mention biting. I thought this thread was a good discussion but you seem to not want to defend or support your assertions.

I didn't make any assertions, I stated my thoughts and opinions. I know very little about politics or economics so tell things as I see them through my non expert eyes. For the record I don't take the word of any politician as gospel regardless of party so don't go down the road of accusing me of listening to SNP propaganda.

You're well known for trolling and antagonising other posters and I've decided never to allow you to troll or antagonise me.