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Incompetence would still take place in an independent Scotland.
You should know by now that people are promoted to their level of incompetence.

That isn't always the case Islay. The Peter Principle mainly applies to those who are educated beyond their intelligence in my experience, these are the ones that constantly want more until they finally reach the level at which they become incompetent. The intelligent ones know when they've reached their level and stay there.

Most politicians are incompetent. I think I can name John Smith and Donald Dewar as the only two that, in my view, demonstrated competence in senior positions. Maggie was competent but suffered from being evil incarnate.

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Some pro independence voters reason is simply to be divorced from England and that’s as far as it goes ,doesn’t even get to finances...

Correct it's not about politics or economics. Since the union was forced on Scotland by a small number of selfish and greedy nobles the nation has striven to break it. Long may the efforts continue.

[Mudskipper]

Correct it's not about politics or economics. Since the union was forced on Scotland by a small number of selfish and greedy nobles the nation has striven to break it. Long may the efforts continue.

That’s quite a grudge to carry from 1707 though tbf...

[Dee_Dee]

“We often have governments foisted upon us that we don't want (Tories) who dictate their policies,

Well if you insist on voting for a party who only stand in Scotland in a U.K. General Election you are unlikely to ever get the government you want running the U.K.

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That’s quite a grudge to carry from 1707 though tbf...

I wasn't around in 1707 although it often feels like I am that old. Islay might be able to confirm how the country was at that time.

I just don't get that we have to vote and achieve a majority to agree a termination of the Union With England Act of 1707 when that act was never passed with any real credibility at the time. It should be terminated on the basis that it was never a legal act in the first place. It was enacted on the say of a very small number of rich people (a parcel of rogues in fact) who were not representative of the population in clear opposition to the wishes of the population.

It's fundamentally flawed.

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“We often have governments foisted upon us that we don't want (Tories) who dictate their policies,

Well if you insist on voting for a party who only stand in Scotland in a U.K. General Election you are unlikely to ever get the government you want running the U.K.

I don't generally vote 'for a party who only stand in Scotland in a U.K. General Election'. However the clear bias toward that particular party shows the general (democratic) feeling of Scotland does it not?

[BCram]

I wasn't around in 1707 although it often feels like I am that old. Islay might be able to confirm how the country was at that time.

I just don't get that we have to vote and achieve a majority to agree a termination of the Union With England Act of 1707 when that act was never passed with any real credibility at the time. It should be terminated on the basis that it was never a legal act in the first place. It was enacted on the say of a very small number of rich people (a parcel of rogues in fact) who were not representative of the population in clear opposition to the wishes of the population.

It's fundamentally flawed.

And there you have the problem. But you can't undo over 300 years of legislation by simply rewinding the clock.

[Mudskipper]

And there you have the problem. But you can't undo over 300 years of legislation by simply rewinding the clock.

No stuff happened at that time because it just did,right or wrong who knows ,the whole slavery debate was ripe a few months back when the flip flop students were pulling down statues, why not continue to pull down civic halls and buildings across the UK because they were in some cases built off profits from trading slaves.

Still impressive buildings in Chicago that came from Capones profiteering....

[noahrab]

I didn't make any assertions, I stated my thoughts and opinions. I know very little about politics or economics so tell things as I see them through my non expert eyes. For the record I don't take the word of any politician as gospel regardless of party so don't go down the road of accusing me of listening to SNP propaganda.

You're well known for trolling and antagonising other posters and I've decided never to allow you to troll or antagonise me.

Oh phuckin grow up mate.

You seem to have a chip on each shoulder. Evenly balanced.

[islaydarkblue]

That isn't always the case Islay. The Peter Principle mainly applies to those who are educated beyond their intelligence in my experience, these are the ones that constantly want more until they finally reach the level at which they become incompetent. The intelligent ones know when they've reached their level and stay there.

Most politicians are incompetent. I think I can name John Smith and Donald Dewar as the only two that, in my view, demonstrated competence in senior positions. Maggie was competent but suffered from being evil incarnate.

My wife and I had this discussion last Thursday when we travelling to Bowmore for our weekly shop.
We agreed that people who were incompetent continually got promoted because they could not get rid of them.
Over two years ago I received a one paragraph reply from the Lead councillor for Education in Argyll and Bute Council which contained two spelling mistakes and she managed to spell both the Christian name and the Surname of the acting head of Education for Argyll and Bute Council incorrectly.
Goodness knows how this person was selected to be the Lead Councillor for Education in Argyll and Bute Council.It was certainly not for her spelling ability.
I do not know if you remember the Winter of Discontent in 1978-79 when the unions brought the UK to a halt. I certainly do. Fortunately after she was elected Maggie Thatcher practised what she preached and stood up to the unions.
People like Red Robbo caused the death of the car production industry in the UK.