Boris & The Pandemic

[bordering]

The reality is you either catch it and become immune , ill or dead or you wait for a vaccine with its own significant risks
Te number of cases is not the issue -hospitalisation & deaths ar


Look at the figures- Covid hospital beds & deaths neither are anywhere near 0.1% of the population

Masks are a distraction


Herd immunity or vaccine that's your choice but with the vaccine wait we have huge economic & social problems & as Robert Kennedy has pointed out the vaccine companies are immune to prosecution, they have no placebo testing , so far both monkeys and humans have been made ill by taking it & they want a vaccine within a year- normal time for development & approvals of a vaccine is 7 years!!!! Fauci owns half the patent. Take a look on youtube Robert Keenedy debates with Bercowitz.
Do your own research and THINK


And before you have your hissy fit - remember we all owe God a death, life is for living & I say that as someone in the highest risk category

[phild]

Well I for one can't wait until there's a Covid vaccine and then Covid completely disappears, just like what has happened with influenza and the flu vaccine!

[bordering]

Well I for one can't wait until there's a Covid vaccine and then Covid completely disappears, just like what has happened with influenza and the flu vaccine!

When flu vaccine came out it was to be a 1-off jab now it's annual- big money for pharma--- wanna guess whether any Covid jab will be annual event & it is being rushed by companies who have total legal immunity

Might it be best to get C-19 today in the street rather than November in the winter- or take that unproven vaccine??

Getting it won't overwhelm the NHS- yesterday only 1020 beds were C-19 some 0.6% of all beds & ICU? is 127 some 0.14% of ICU beds.

Last week C-19 was 24th biggest killer in UK it accounted for 1% of all deaths- the last week end 4sept deaths were 15% less than 5year average



Do your own research - check it out- and decide whether to accept the government dictats or not

[SwedishBaggie]

Well, there are different ways and approaches.. We”ve had no lock down, masks are not compulsory, and the figures are going down.

What is it now, some 42 000 dead in GB, how much is that of the total population? And, of course even less if you count how many died directly from Corona, and how many died with. My estimate would be some ca 15-20% died directly from Corona which makes the numbers diminutive. And for this those in charge are willing to impose measures that create so much bad health and death...

Fear and panic are dangerous things.

[WBA123]

While I don't think that this government have done a good job over this pandemic, I am not convinced that the opposition would have done any better. To my mind, a co-alition government would have been advantageous as that would have removed any political aspects to the problem. It is also ridiculous that the individual countries have different rules and regulations. A common approach would have made it much easier for the public to follow the instructions. You do really wonder at the lack of ability and common sense shown by our politicians of all persuasions. I feel that we have been badly let down by those in charge.

I'm not Corbyn's biggest fan at all, I think its his fault we have a Tory party with an 80 seat majority.

But if you think any Govt, including a Corbyn Govt, would have handled this pandemic any worse than the current Govt has then you are kidding yourself!

[WBA123]

I'm really not sure why anyone is surprised?

We have a Govt who mostly care about 2 things;
1. Themselves and their friends
2. PR and the Polls

Everything else (including saving lives) is secondary. That is obvious, and if it isn't obvious to you then you must be extremely naive.

It could have been different. Corbyn has his faults but at least he is principled and he would have responded to this pandemic better. Rory Stewart was on record 2 weeks before the lockdown, saying we needed to be locked down. He would have saved lives had he been chosen as Tory leader and therefore the PM. Or even if BoJo hadn't filled his cabinet full of inexperienced but loyal Brexiteer 'Yes Men', it could have made a difference.

Yet, The Tories are still ahead in the polls. We kind of deserve what we have. Which is an incompetent, lying and corrupt Govt.

Its the same with Brexit. Millions of people voted to make themselves poorer, so really as voters - we deserve to be financially worse off through our own stupidity.

[mickd1961]

I'm really not sure why anyone is surprised?

We have a Govt who mostly care about 2 things;
1. Themselves and their friends
2. PR and the Polls

Everything else (including saving lives) is secondary. That is obvious, and if it isn't obvious to you then you must be extremely naive.

It could have been different. Corbyn has his faults but at least he is principled and he would have responded to this pandemic better. Rory Stewart was on record 2 weeks before the lockdown, saying we needed to be locked down. He would have saved lives had he been chosen as Tory leader and therefore the PM. Or even if BoJo hadn't filled his cabinet full of inexperienced but loyal Brexiteer 'Yes Men', it could have made a difference.

Yet, The Tories are still ahead in the polls. We kind of deserve what we have. Which is an incompetent, lying and corrupt Govt.

Its the same with Brexit. Millions of people voted to make themselves poorer, so really as voters - we deserve to be financially worse off through our own stupidity.

This government is like most governments........it doesn't give a s h I t about the actual number of dead.

It's all about "the look".........by that I mean that they don't care if 1000 people a day die from Covid but they do care about seeing people lined up in corridors and on hospital car parks dying because they can't treat them.

Government the world over is so crippled by it's own PR agenda and by appearing to do the right thing.

I still maintain the best solution is t massively ramp up health provision and let life go back to as normal as possible whoever is in power.

I love the name that Starmer is being labelled with though....."Captain Hindsight".........so easy to be wise after the event.

Hancocks performance has been lamentable though......the man is a slimy,bumbling liar.......I could see he was shifty charlatan from day one,I do think Jeremy Hunt would've done a far better job.

In fairness the Downing Street cat could've outperformed Hancock.

I actually despise the bloke and could kick the TV any time he's on there spouting his lies.

[SwedishBaggie]

This government is like most governments........it doesn't give a s h I t about the actual number of dead.

It's all about "the look".........by that I mean that they don't care if 1000 people a day die from Covid but they do care about seeing people lined up in corridors and on hospital car parks dying because they can't treat them.

Government the world over is so crippled by it's own PR agenda and by appearing to do the right thing.

I still maintain the best solution is t massively ramp up health provision and let life go back to as normal as possible whoever is in power.

I love the name that Starmer is being labelled with though....."Captain Hindsight".........so easy to be wise after the event.

Hancocks performance has been lamentable though......the man is a slimy,bumbling liar.......I could see he was shifty charlatan from day one,I do think Jeremy Hunt would've done a far better job.

In fairness the Downing Street cat could've outperformed Hancock.

I actually despise the bloke and could kick the TV any time he's on there spouting his lies.

”I still maintain the best solution is t massively ramp up health provision and let life go back to as normal as possible whoever is in power.”

Absolutely bang on!

[baggieal]

”I still maintain the best solution is t massively ramp up health provision and let life go back to as normal as possible whoever is in power.”

Absolutely bang on!

I would agree with that! Can't see the economy surviving another lock down so either we get on with it - or stay at home in the garden. Brutal but that's a choice which may need to be made. A lot of the over 75's I have spoken to would rather chance it - see their family - go out and about - as in their own words - they could go anytime anyway! I get that!

[Baggiemadguern]

I’m not sure there are any better options, irrespective of any Political bias.
Even the medical experts disagree and, understandably change their opinion and advice as experience of this new virus develops.
The absence of strong enforcement is disappointing, but not unsurprising.
Despite the inevitable economic effect, I would support a national lockdown.

A very sensible post Prando

Lockdown lockdown. I live in a small community of circa 65,000. In March we went into lock down, we were a little slow to close our borders, it should have been done mid February, the reasoning it was not, was to allow students to return from university’s and school skiing trips etc. Alas, cases rose and we had a small number of deaths, particularly in homes for the elderly. Once cases started to rise the borders were shut and the usual lock down rules were implemented i.e. only one household member was allowed to shop, queuing at supermarkets and only two hours of exercise a day. Nearly every business closed. We were particularly lucky back in March that we had an exceptionally warm spring as we are having a really warm Autumn at the moment.

Track and trace was introduced early on and though it was never the intention to eradicate the virus eradicate it it did. Come May we started to bubble with families and in a June all restrictions were gone, other than travel. Borders opened in July with voluntary isolation and testing etc on return.

We have had two positive cases since then as some selfish idiots thought they would holiday etc. At least they seem to have caught them in the net as they returned. We are small island but quite heavily populated so a success story all the same. The UK, France and Spain are a few of the countries that caved in to those that wanted to open businesses and start to travel on holiday all in order to kick start their economy’s You are still allowed to travel around much of the UK, yet the virus numbers is climbing uncontrollably. What stupidity.

Lookdown will work and will be a large factor in eradicating this virus, unfortunately as winter approaches there will be much to regret insomuch countries did not deal effectively with this virus at the outset. Standing in a supermarket queue in the middle of winter will be the least of ones worries. It might be the last chance to get things it in place, albeit is probably to late now, before what might be a winter of nightmare proportions starts.

The Isle of Man Government have done the same as with the same success. We do have an air corridor with the IOM at present with no testing required, which, on a side note, has led to some good sporting contests.

I also noted very, very few people locally wore masks during our short period of lockdown but I have to say nearly everyone complied with the rules and hand hygiene etc.

About five people have been arrested for breaking isolation rules, the maximum fine is £10,000 for each offence. One UK worker was fined £9,000 for three offences, he could not pay so is serving the alternative of 9 months.

We are so, so lucky here, life is back to normal, everything is open, yes some businesses are suffering, travel firms and local airlines but we are free to go where we want when we want.

The UK is it’s own worst enemy sometimes, no more so than with the handling of this virus.