Coventry v QPR....both teams did not take the knee.

[KerrAvon]

Do you really think the millers players were being told to follow the diktat of the left in choosing to kneel? If have been quite happy with whatever decision they made, but I think that any organisation where people work closely with black people will be plenty aware of why so many of their black work mates feel strongly about the movement and want to show their support. I don't think anyone is pressuring them. I agree with your link's general point though that dialogue is needed from all sides.

Just like you, raging, I have no idea what every individual Millers player thinks about taking the knee.

Given that taking the knee seems to have been universally observed over every football league (I'm happy to be corrected on that as I haven't checked) isn't the better question whether it is fair to assume that every player in every league shares the view that it is a course of action that they want to take? That, I would suggest, is an absurd proposition. There are likely to be some who hold racist views, for which it is difficult to hold any sympathy, but are you really suggesting that there won't be some, if not many, who have no issue with the notion of seeking equality for all races, but think the knee gesture is just that - a gesture, or who feel uncomfortable with the stated aims of elements of the BLM movement?

The point I am making is that players don't really have choice. A player who took the view that he would prefer not to participate would suffer horribly at the hands of John's court of public opinion as the left wing twitter mob lit up their keyboards. He would risk abuse from supporters, loss of sponsorship and possibly even actions at the hands of his club. Is that really something that any society should desire for someone simply for swimming against the tide of left wing orthodoxy? I don't think so.

I know that you will rail against the notion of a left wing orthodoxy, but you can see it in action on this board. A couple of weeks ago, I suggested that the officer involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake should be judged in a courtroom as opposed to on social media and was accused of 'siding with right wingers, (or something like that) by Wan Chai. Seriously? Is that where we want to be? Roly cannot tolerate any opinion that does not accord with his own, which he picks up courtesy of his politics.

You say that people who work ‘closely with black people will be plenty aware of why so many of their black work mates feel strongly about the movement and want to show their support’. With respect, that is why I selected the Courtney Lawes link. He IS black and has a number of black team mates at Northampton Saints. Despite that he has been brave enough to stand up to the orthodoxy and has suffered for it.

I'm not suggesting that Lawes has a monopoly on common sense, but he has an awful lot as far as I am concerned. Here's a slight fuller article:

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/court...nt-talk-about/

[millersrus]

I do Brin cov 3 Stoke 7

Quite un roly like to be “Stoke” ing it ;-)

[millersrus]

Taxing the rich/ sharing resources for a start. Valuing those who are useful to running a fair society rather than those who are not.

How does the saying go..5% of people possess 95% of the wealth, if they shared it out evenly, within a few years you would end up with, wait for it .... the 5% back possessing 95% of it.
Not saying it’s right, just that’s the way it is, has always been and pretty much will always be.

[Brin]

Just like you, raging, I have no idea what every individual Millers player thinks about taking the knee.

Given that taking the knee seems to have been universally observed over every football league (I'm happy to be corrected on that as I haven't checked) isn't the better question whether it is fair to assume that every player in every league shares the view that it is a course of action that they want to take? That, I would suggest, is an absurd proposition. There are likely to be some who hold racist views, for which it is difficult to hold any sympathy, but are you really suggesting that there won't be some, if not many, who have no issue with the notion of seeking equality for all races, but think the knee gesture is just that - a gesture, or who feel uncomfortable with the stated aims of elements of the BLM movement?

The point I am making is that players don't really have choice. A player who took the view that he would prefer not to participate would suffer horribly at the hands of John's court of public opinion as the left wing twitter mob lit up their keyboards. He would risk abuse from supporters, loss of sponsorship and possibly even actions at the hands of his club. Is that really something that any society should desire for someone simply for swimming against the tide of left wing orthodoxy? I don't think so.

I know that you will rail against the notion of a left wing orthodoxy, but you can see it in action on this board. A couple of weeks ago, I suggested that the officer involved in the shooting of Jacob Blake should be judged in a courtroom as opposed to on social media and was accused of 'siding with right wingers, (or something like that) by Wan Chai. Seriously? Is that where we want to be? Roly cannot tolerate any opinion that does not accord with his own, which he picks up courtesy of his politics.

You say that people who work ‘closely with black people will be plenty aware of why so many of their black work mates feel strongly about the movement and want to show their support’. With respect, that is why I selected the Courtney Lawes link. He IS black and has a number of black team mates at Northampton Saints. Despite that he has been brave enough to stand up to the orthodoxy and has suffered for it.

I'm not suggesting that Lawes has a monopoly on common sense, but he has an awful lot as far as I am concerned. Here's a slight fuller article:

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/court...nt-talk-about/

A very well grounded young man. Sensible, speaks openly and honestly on his beliefs and that is what is missing with all this BLM. You should be allowed to openly give your views on what YOU think and they should be respected. Good for him.

[millersrus]

Thanks for that link to the story.
I wasn’t aware of it all, my main source of news is still the BBC even though that they are less than impartial on these matters. Still it’s difficult when they don’t mention it all or hide it away in a corner.

[rolymiller]

How does the saying go..5% of people possess 95% of the wealth, if they shared it out evenly, within a few years you would end up with, wait for it .... the 5% back possessing 95% of it.
Not saying it’s right, just that’s the way it is, has always been and pretty much will always be.

That is the joy of capitalism. Don't assume that that is the way it will always be. Capitalism has not always been with us and doesn't need to always be with us. Indeed if it does we are knackered as a species. Already we are seeing the start of environmental catastrophes. We will come to a point where there is no turning back and then some smart person will say "I wish to feck we hadn't carried on with the political systems we had on this planet and we may have given our selves a chance".

Personally, I want to tell my grandkids the world isnt gonna end in environmental disaster but I cant honestly say that to them if we carry on with the political systems we have.

The only way this planet will survive is through some sort of enviro/ democratic socialist system. If we had time I think this would naturally evolve and we would be shut of capitalism for good but I fear we aint going to have that time because greed will rule first. The interests of a few at the expense of the majority.

If I wanted to be purely selfish like some of the right wing posters on here I would say tough luck for the human race because I wont be here when it happens. That wouldn't go down well with my grandkids and great grandkids thoughh would it?

We are walking towards the cliff edge like lemmings. The disturbing thing is powerful leaders in the wotrd like Trump will do feck all about it choosing instead to indulge the rich

[rolymiller]

A very well grounded young man. Sensible, speaks openly and honestly on his beliefs and that is what is missing with all this BLM. You should be allowed to openly give your views on what YOU think and they should be respected. Good for him.

Honestly? He's a fake Brin. When has a fake been honest? Don't be fooled...

[great_fire]

I'm surprised at you seemingly siding with an extremist right wing idiot but then again if that is what the mods are coming to on here god help this board.

Like I've said before to you be a plonker and allow this site to be closed down. At least no one will be able to blame me when it goes..

Shame on you.


Bring back Deano and Rich the site was much better then.

He's not siding with the right-wing idiot, or the left-wing idiot either.

Nice to see that famous left-wing lack of sense of humour though.

[Brin]

Honestly? He's a fake Brin. When has a fake been honest? Don't be fooled...

Roly, seriously? Here we have a man who openly calls himself mixed race as doesn't come down on either side. Are you saying he's a double racist?

Do you sleep at night? What do you dream about? It seems pal that everything in your life revolves around politics.

Seriously, have you ever thought about standing as a Rotherham Labour Councillor?

[rolymiller]

He's not siding with the right-wing idiot, or the left-wing idiot either.

Nice to see that famous left-wing lack of sense of humour though.

For a moderator he surprisingly sides more with the right wing posters than left. I don't mind him having right wing opinions that;s up to him but I always thought moderators were meant to be somewhere in the middle. When he starts agreeing with some of the things the lefty's say on here I may believe it.

I shouldn't have to tell a moderator how to moderate but there you have it.