Quote Originally Posted by drillerpie View Post
Correlation doesn't always equal causation is correct, hence correlation must mean causation is a fallacy.

A lot of people analyse data by ethnicity (or gender or religion or ***uality) and explain the disparities with discrimination, as if it was the only explanation for anything.

I don't think I'm guilty of throwing the baby out of the bathwater. I also don't think my position has changed since the last conversation we had, but I'll clarify it to be on the safe side. I think that racism exists and is A Bad Thing, but you can't stop it with t-shirts or by kneeling down. I also think that what is commonly referred to as systemic racism is basically systemic lack of educational economic opportunity, which in my opinion affects socio-economic groups of all ethnicities, and should be tackled as such.

I don't think racism shouldn't be combatted, I think we have actually done a fine job in combatting it. I just think that we should aim for a colour blind society, rather than having someone's race as the most interesting and relevant thing about them.

I'd love to know how you have been enlightened by your book, if you care to share it. Don't want to spoil any surprises but I'm guessing that anyone who doesn't swallow critical race theory hook, line, and sinker, is in denial about being, as you would say, a massive racist.
‘but you can’t stop it with t-shirts or by kneeling down’. ‘...explain the disparities with discrimination, as if it was the only explanation for anything’. The critical thinker speaks. You just can’t help simplifying and mischaracterising the position of those who don’t agree with you, certainly on this issue at least.

I’m fully aware that lack of opportunity is a problem which affects all groups, particularly when they elect governments as poor as the one we have. However, if you’re pretending that people of colour don’t have additional obstacles which the white community don’t face, I can’t agree. Don’t just read the article which I linked to above, read the references which it contains. Read the book I mentioned, rather than come to a conclusion which you’ve just guessed. It may well be of greater value than following academics who waste everyone’s time by sending fake studies off to journals. Read the actual experience of people who have suffered discrimination as well as William Coulston and er Patrick O’Flynn.

And honestly, 100% positively, with a cherry on top, I don’t know what in particular it is about Chicago which makes it a special case.