THE Ardley In/Out Thread [Multiple threads merged]

[countygump]

[QUOTE=upthemaggies;39591630]

Just double checked where Coventry were the day Robins took over.
Rock bottom, 13 points adrift of safety.

That's a rubbish comparison.

And where were Notts the day that Ardley took over, UTM, just as a matter of interest?

[ncfcog]

[QUOTE=countygump;39591660]

And where were Notts the day that Ardley took over, UTM, just as a matter of interest?

Same position we ended the season.

[Elite_Pie]

Not a good squad a great squad.

Watford are another rare example you can cherry pick. The list of examples soon runs out.

The reason quoting the Munto season is ridiculous because we have paid in spades for that one truly amazing season and that approx 2 year period of short term success.

It was a fake, unsustainable and thoroughly enjoyable period what followed certainly wasn't.

None of this needs explaining to any proper supporter. Spending money we haven't got is the single main reason we are where we are. Above any one chairman or manager. Reckless unsustainable overspending for a prolonged period is always going to catch up with you eventually. Sadly it didn't take long for the detrimental and now longstanding impact to hit Notts. It the crippled the club as owners and managers came and went.

You are still missing the point. Sticking with a manager and backing him sounds a great idea, but it only works if the manager is a good one.

You seem to think that Ardley is worth sticking with because he will somehow become that good manager. A few of us don't see what you see.

[countygump]

[QUOTE=ncfcog;39591670]

Same position we ended the season.

We certainly were. This was the L2 table the day that Ardley became manager.

[laddo]

I'm not missing anything. Clearly sticking with a poor manager is pointless. It's the chopping and changing of managers without giving them enough time for fans and more importantly the board/chairman to be able to judge them.

I can't make this point any clearer. In the past when we have gone through a bad period (their first) under a manager they get sacked. They don't have a chance to have another good period. See Kevin Nolan as a prime example. Others didn't have enough time full stop for us to ever know. Multiple examples of that scenario.

The net result of the above, at Notts has been costly seasons , disappointment and relegation.

I've also made it crystal clear my views on Ardley, I don't blame him for relegation. Last season he / the club had an excuse for not getting promoted. This season they don't. If he doesn't get us promoted or looks like it's unlucky , get rid. He will have had enough time. How many managers can we honestly say that about at Meadow Lane?

That's a pretty black and white statement that even the fans who view football in the most basic of ways (Gump, Davy et al) can understand even if they disagree with it.

[magpie_mania]

[QUOTE=Notts78;39591618]

Who Hardy interviewed of course, before opting for Nolan.[/QUOTE

That’s not Nolan’s fault and it certainly isn’t Ardley’s.

You asked for a comparison of a club that was as taken down by a manager and the club kept faith.
I provided you with one.

Well you don't need to go far from ML, in fact you don't even need to leave ML!

Big Sam

[upthemaggies]

[QUOTE=magpie_mania;39591695]

Well you don't need to go far from ML, in fact you don't even need to leave ML!

Big Sam

Big Sam could have been sacked for sure, but he immediately got us back up again with interest (record breaking season) and it wasn't a new low for us to be at that level. Ardley may be unique across the English game at "Elite level" for surviving this long after taking a club to its' lowest point ever.

[TSANHO]

I know a lot of people hold Ardley responsible for our relegation, pretty harshly in my opinion, but fair enough. I disagree, the ship had hit the ice berg long before Ardley came in....maybe even years before, and we we have been steadily sinking ever since, as POM pointed out in another post.

I’m sure if any of us could have witnessed the behind the scenes mess that was that season I think there’d be a lot more understanding towards what happened, and in-particular, Ardleys reign.

Anyway, my point is that I believe we can only rate Ardley on last season (and even then he had reasonable excuses for a poor start, which I’m sure we can all agree upon). With this in mind we should look at his stats from the start of last season.

Not including the FA Trophy wins, which would bump up his score, we played 40 competitive games (38 league and 2 playoffs). Of those, we were victorious in 18 of those....giving a win percentage of 45%.

Say what you like about his football or supposed excuses but using the stats on last season, (which our owners most definitely will) in the Reedtz brothers first full season in charge, it not only pints a positive picture but it also puts him up there with some of the best managers in our history.

Bearing this in mind, some still bizarrely consider last season a failure. In my mind that first season isn’t illustrative of Ardleys capabilities as a manager, last season was more so, and this season will be the do or die moment. The owners will be well aware of the situation and will move if, and when, they need to.

We are in good hands.

[Elite_Pie]

I'm not missing anything. Clearly sticking with a poor manager is pointless. It's the chopping and changing of managers without giving them enough time for fans and more importantly the board/chairman to be able to judge them.

I can't make this point any clearer.

You could, if you had backed that theory and said that Fullarton deserved longer. You didn't, so you were basically saying what many of us are saying now - if you don't think the manager is a good appointment and capable of taking us forwards, then the best thing to do is get rid.

[Elite_Pie]

Anyway, my point is that I believe we can only rate Ardley on last season.

And I believe that is one of the most breathtakingly stupid points I've ever read on here. So we forget that he took us out of the football league and only concentrate on the fact he had a good record against teams like Chorley?

If we forget Jamie Fullarton's defeats and just concentrate on the other games, he was a pretty good manager!