O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

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Bloody nose? From who?

99% on here couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag
I'm too old for the slipper or ruler from you Mr Chips.

...and you’d know that how exactly...Mr. MacKay? Love to know who your perceived 1% is.

Clearly you missed the word ‘proverbial’...or, as usual, just didn’t quite understand.

[Andy_Faber]

A few observations from conversations I’ve had with a friend in Scotland earlier (who’s fairly neutral, he’s Greek, although he DID vote in the independence referendum)

He observes that TV interrogation of UK govt is significantly more aggressive than interviews with representatives of the devolved governments

He also observes that the Scottish Covid briefing has become so party political In favour of SNP he’s surprised someone from one of the other parties hasn’t complained

He made a great point I don’t think anyone else with their biased leanings have made - EVERYONE has got their own ideas about what HMG should do, including not just the plebs but people of influence. What chance do HMG have of satisfying such diverse and entrenched views? He made the same point about the Scottish administration

[ramAnag]

Andy...I’d love to be able to concentrate on ‘TV interrogation of UK govt’...but don’t you think you’re missing the point?

Our, the UK’s, Covid figures are a disaster and have been for a considerable time now. We’ve had abject dishonesty from Cummings, we’ve had abject failure in ‘Track and Trace’, we’ve had complete contradiction...’eat out-help out’/mustn’t go out after 10.00pm...close all the schools/‘there’s a moral imperative for all pupils to go to school’...send students back to Uni/lock them all in to learn ‘online’.

It’s become insane and now we have a situation where wealthy and new Tory seats have avoided lockdown despite having higher infection rates than some less affluent areas eg...Richmondshire (73 per 100k), Newark and Sherwood (84) but no restrictions, compared with Wolverhampton (56), Chorley (72) and Lancaster (66) where they do have serious restrictions.

I’ll let you check out the MP’s for the first two. Coincidence? I suspect not and something is seriously wrong.

As Albert Camus wrote in ‘The Plague’, ‘The pestilence is at once blight and revelation...it brings the hidden truth of a corrupt world to the surface’.

Decent goalkeeper, Camus...doubt he was error free, but I suspect he didn’t seek to blame the press for any of his failings.

[swaledale]

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Bloody nose? From who?

99% on here couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag
I'm too old for the slipper or ruler from you Mr Chips.

You've had several! You can always tell, because generally you slink away for a while and when you return there is never any response from you to that post!


I note you seem unable to understand the metaphor that rA used and in typical Neanderthal style associated it with actual physical violence.

But maybe its your age thats affecting your memory and your brains ability to distinguish fact from fiction?

Keep watching the youtube ****s old man

[wessoram]

Okay...taking things in a slightly different direction, not least because this isn’t entirely the government’s fault...I’d like to raise a question about the NHS and Covid.
Back when the weather was better and the days were longer we, quite rightly imo, had the regular Thursday evening claps for the NHS.
But has the whole of the NHS performed so brilliantly? Can’t help feeling a little let down by some aspects of GP practices and I’ll have to be anecdotal in the telling, but it seems to have become alarmingly and increasingly difficult to win the attention of a GP over the last six months.
As examples I know of a couple in their mid seventies who both have health issues...she struggling with depression and he with a not altogether unrelated heart condition. Both feel that they’ve been deserted by their GP during the pandemic while at the other end of the spectrum I know of a five year old who has succumbed to tonsillitis three times over the same period. On each occasion he has been readily prescribed antibiotics over the phone but there has been a refusal to actually instigate a first hand and visual investigation of his condition.
There’s a lot to be said for telephone appointments, but with schools back fully, students - ridiculously imo - returned and many back at work...are GP’s shirking their responsibilities? Genuine question NOT an accusation.

Genuine question and a very good one. My wife who is a senior hospital based NHS employee, and, as part of her job has to contact GPs to discuss their patients, is pulling her hair out in frustration of how they have most definitely gone to ground. She says all the local surgeries she has to call, play out a message that they are closed, not open for patient visits and all contact must be by phone only, before anyone answers the phone.
A&E are being visited by people who have phoned their practice and been told to go to the hospital instead of their GP.
My wife and her team have seen EVERY patient face to face, so have all the staff in A&E, ITU and other hospital departments, yet we are told many GPs are working from home.
I can tell you that every GP has been contacted by the NHS and told they have to start seeing patients again.
When this is finally over I think many local practice doctors will not come out of it with much credit.

[swaledale]

A few observations from conversations I’ve had with a friend in Scotland earlier (who’s fairly neutral, he’s Greek, although he DID vote in the independence referendum)

He observes that TV interrogation of UK govt is significantly more aggressive than interviews with representatives of the devolved governments

He also observes that the Scottish Covid briefing has become so party political In favour of SNP he’s surprised someone from one of the other parties hasn’t complained

He made a great point I don’t think anyone else with their biased leanings have made - EVERYONE has got their own ideas about what HMG should do, including not just the plebs but people of influence. What chance do HMG have of satisfying such diverse and entrenched views? He made the same point about the Scottish administration

There was a discussion yesterday on the good old BBC Radio about why people think wee Krankie is doing better than Johnson, when the evidence suggests that she isn't. The general opinion was that it was her style, which was on the whole serious, open honest about the issues being faced and generally explanatory, with no meaningless waffle, such as whackamole, world beating, it will be over by Christmas.

That might explain why the media are less critical, whereas every time Bj or one of his clueless Ministers says something its the reverse!

[swaledale]

Genuine question and a very good one. My wife who is a senior hospital based NHS employee, and, as part of her job has to contact GPs to discuss their patients, is pulling her hair out in frustration of how they have most definitely gone to ground. She says all the local surgeries she has to call, play out a message that they are closed, not open for patient visits and all contact must be by phone only, before anyone answers the phone.
A&E are being visited by people who have phoned their practice and been told to go to the hospital instead of their GP.
My wife and her team have seen EVERY patient face to face, so have all the staff in A&E, ITU and other hospital departments, yet we are told many GPs are working from home.
I can tell you that every GP has been contacted by the NHS and told they have to start seeing patients again.
When this is finally over I think many local practice doctors will not come out of it with much credit.

That does seem to be the case in many areas and don't get me started about Dentists!

[swaledale]

Well that's a load of rubbish for a start.
You see what I have noted, is when I post.It's like a red rag to a bull. We all know it's coz you love me so much. But at least everyone else gets a break.
I read the forum while I was away. I'm not posting and you're behaving like an insolent child at Andy and GP. RA raises his profile once in a while and you feel the need to slap him down. It is so funny and predicatble, with the usual insults ranging from racist to thick.

Like I said, take up politics. You will fit right in with your statements and insults. You obviously know more than the rest of us and we are so intolerent for not agreeing with you, that we should be flogged.

If you do run, can I recommend a uniform plain grey suit/ plimsols/ and a basin head hair cut.
We love the leader.

You mistake taking the piss out of you, which is so damn easy that really I shouldn't, don't mock the afflicted and so on! With a discussion or perhaps an argument or some gentle sparring with other posters who at least demonstrate some sentience in their posts, rather than parroting crap they have read from the internet like you do.

But your right I should be more accepting of the less intelligent on here, after all it snot as if its your fault really being a victim.

[ramAnag]

Genuine question and a very good one. My wife who is a senior hospital based NHS employee, and, as part of her job has to contact GPs to discuss their patients, is pulling her hair out in frustration of how they have most definitely gone to ground. She says all the local surgeries she has to call, play out a message that they are closed, not open for patient visits and all contact must be by phone only, before anyone answers the phone.
A&E are being visited by people who have phoned their practice and been told to go to the hospital instead of their GP.
My wife and her team have seen EVERY patient face to face, so have all the staff in A&E, ITU and other hospital departments, yet we are told many GPs are working from home.
I can tell you that every GP has been contacted by the NHS and told they have to start seeing patients again.
When this is finally over I think many local practice doctors will not come out of it with much credit.

Interesting to get such an informed, and somewhat worrying, perspective. Thanks wesso.

[Andy_Faber]

There was a discussion yesterday on the good old BBC Radio about why people think wee Krankie is doing better than Johnson, when the evidence suggests that she isn't. The general opinion was that it was her style, which was on the whole serious, open honest about the issues being faced and generally explanatory, with no meaningless waffle, such as whackamole, world beating, it will be over by Christmas.

That might explain why the media are less critical, whereas every time Bj or one of his clueless Ministers says something its the reverse!

I think I heard the tail end of that feature and I can see their point, especially as Scottish indicators are no better than England's (I think that was mentioned in the feature but my Metaxa swilling pal told me that was the case anyway)