Lockdown 💀

[Baggiemadguern]

With all due respect, you can’t compare a/any country with a small, isolated, and yes, island with a small population.

Belgium went into an early and hard lockdown in the spring, they then opened up and people behaved relatively sensibly (I visit Belgium on a yearly basis, was there 1 1/2 weeks in July). Now, they are one of the worst hit again, and a new lockdown is imposed. This, together with all the hugely negative health effects of a lockdown, shows that it is a bad idea for countries.

Many experts and lockdown promoters said in the spring that hard lockdowns would beat or even eradicate the virus, we now know they were wrong.

We have to learn to live with it over time and therefore have sustainable and prudent measures, not draconian ones.

I never I was comparing albeit, the Uk is a small island relatively speaking. Sweden is not heavily populated so again cannot be measured against countries like the UK, France , Spain or Germany. Newzealand has had great success with a larger population.

I think you have answered your own question in your second sentence, travel was most unwise. It is due to the lifting of travel restrictions and those that chose to holiday in areas where C-19 remained prevalent and returning with the virus which has not helped the situation. Silly and foolish they were.

Lockdown will work, but only if they are done properly and once again the UK are failing to do that. Time will tell how or when we will see an end to this. It won’t be any time soon that is for sure.

[kettering_baggie]

I know I get little consideration on here, so I will butt out after this, however, you are all going into what can only be described as a partial lockdown, which in all honesty, is most likely to result in only short term and limited success. The UK will be back to square one in no time. Simply put, lessons have not been learned from the first time round.

I don’t know why you think that you get little consideration, you always come across as a reasonable bloke to me. As for the lockdown, I will be surprised if the R rate is below 1 in two weeks time. Also, if restrictions are lifted prior to Christmas then with all the socialising that will occur, the infection rate will lurch upwards once again. What then, another lockdown in the New Year? Lockdowns just seem to kick the can down the road but I suppose it’s really all about stopping hospitals being overwhelmed. Is there really no other way?

[mickd1961]

Let’s be clear on this, three things are going to happen......so rather than waiting for Boris and co to obfuscate for a few weeks I’ll tell you all now and you can thank me later.

1/ The “R” rate won’t fall enough during November so “sadly” .......lockdown will continue into December.

2/ Students will be sent home early so as to stop f u c k ing up all the rest of the countries lives and schools will close earlier for Xmas and probably go back a bit later.

3/ Boris will announce ( full of bonhomie) to a grateful nation that lockdown is being relaxed for a ten day period up until 2nd of Jan and that normal Xmas festivities for families can take place.

Someone tell me I’ve got the playbook totally wrong on this!?

[kettering_baggie]

A decent chance that you won’t be far wrong......

[saltnshake]

I don’t know why you think that you get little consideration, you always come across as a reasonable bloke to me. As for the lockdown, I will be surprised if the R rate is below 1 in two weeks time. Also, if restrictions are lifted prior to Christmas then with all the socialising that will occur, the infection rate will lurch upwards once again. What then, another lockdown in the New Year? Lockdowns just seem to kick the can down the road but I suppose it’s really all about stopping hospitals being overwhelmed. Is there really no other way?

I think the government are pinning their hopes on a vaccine being available sometime in December, it would have made far more sense to have closed everything including schools and Uni's 2 weeks ago for a fortnight to co-inside with half term to slow the infection rate down instead it's now for a month with the likelihood that that might not be long enough to stop the hospital's becoming overwhelmed.

[SwedishBaggie]

I never I was comparing albeit, the Uk is a small island relatively speaking. Sweden is not heavily populated so again cannot be measured against countries like the UK, France , Spain or Germany. Newzealand has had great success with a larger population.

I think you have answered your own question in your second sentence, travel was most unwise. It is due to the lifting of travel restrictions and those that chose to holiday in areas where C-19 remained prevalent and returning with the virus which has not helped the situation. Silly and foolish they were.

Lockdown will work, but only if they are done properly and once again the UK are failing to do that. Time will tell how or when we will see an end to this. It won’t be any time soon that is for sure.

So, infinite lockdown is the answer...

The thing is, you, as many others, only focus on C-19 and ignore all other negative health hazards with lockdowns. There in lies the answer to our different opinions I believe.

[Baggiemadguern]

So, infinite lockdown is the answer...

The thing is, you, as many others, only focus on C-19 and ignore all other negative health hazards with lockdowns. There in lies the answer to our different opinions I believe.

Again an incorrect assumption re the effects of lockdown on the health hazards of others. Hey-ho, one cannot really have a full blown conversation on here like you would have in a pub over a few beers (perhaps ‘could have’ would be a better description)

Alas we do think differently and that is good for debate.

[Baggiemadguern]

I don’t know why you think that you get little consideration, you always come across as a reasonable bloke to me. As for the lockdown, I will be surprised if the R rate is below 1 in two weeks time. Also, if restrictions are lifted prior to Christmas then with all the socialising that will occur, the infection rate will lurch upwards once again. What then, another lockdown in the New Year? Lockdowns just seem to kick the can down the road but I suppose it’s really all about stopping hospitals being overwhelmed. Is there really no other way?

Thank you Ketts. I agree with everything you are saying. My point is that as the lockdown in March, April, May had had an excellent effect why did they open up the borders and let all the stupid fools go on continental holidays. As soon as Europe opened its borders the thing went mad again. It would have been far better to have kept the UK contained with closed borders other than for necessities etc. and do staycations. Every one would be back at work, pubs open, even footie grounds might be getting back to normal. Harsh for a few months but it would be done with, and most be back to normal life and most businesses would be open. Instead the UK has faffed around through the last five and a half months.

[Baggiemadguern]

Let’s be clear on this, three things are going to happen......so rather than waiting for Boris and co to obfuscate for a few weeks I’ll tell you all now and you can thank me later.

1/ The “R” rate won’t fall enough during November so “sadly” .......lockdown will continue into December.

2/ Students will be sent home early so as to stop f u c k ing up all the rest of the countries lives and schools will close earlier for Xmas and probably go back a bit later.

3/ Boris will announce ( full of bonhomie) to a grateful nation that lockdown is being relaxed for a ten day period up until 2nd of Jan and that normal Xmas festivities for families can take place.

Someone tell me I’ve got the playbook totally wrong on this!?

90% sure that you are going to be spot on.

[SwedishBaggie]

Again an incorrect assumption re the effects of lockdown on the health hazards of others. Hey-ho, one cannot really have a full blown conversation on here like you would have in a pub over a few beers (perhaps ‘could have’ would be a better description)

Alas we do think differently and that is good for debate.

Agreed - would have loved to have it in a pub though. 😊