Lockdown

[1959_60]

I couldn't even be bothered to respond to 59's post Sub, and I can start an argument in an empty room. The polls have been wrong on every major political vote for the last 5/6 years at least, if Biden wins it will be the first one they've called right in years, they're virtually meaningless these days.

There was one I saw a couple of months ago that said 36% were wearing face masks on the streets. I'd done my own little surveys, to relieve the boredom while Mrs S was shopping, in Clitheroe, York, Preston and Lancaster. I must have counted not far off 1,000 people on 8 different occasions, I found the % wearing them was always between 15-20%, not once did I find more than 20% never mind 36%, I can only assume they manipulate the figures to suit their own agenda, or the agenda of those paying for the survey.

Well, on a personal level, the info I have from people I have chatted to backs up those results. In fact, apart from Clarets-Mad, I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks that we shouldn't have a lockdown. To be fair, I haven't spoken to anyone in the Ribble Valley or Bolton so I haven't got a vox pop for there.

I actually partly agree with you, that we can expect a surge in cases/deaths now that we are entering the winter months. But this doesn't mean that we should throw our hands in the air and do nowt. And limiting contact with each other seems to me to be a very sensible thing to do to stop the NHS/care services being overwhelmed in the very near future.

BT would simply let it rip which would certainly mean that the NHS couldn't cope...alas, a minority of people agree with him. If the NHS/care services collapsed then the impact on our society would be grave.

And yes, there is not 100% consensus between the "experts" on the lockdown. There is not 100% consensus on lots of stuff including climate change. But the vast majority of the Governments advisors have produced very compelling evidence that if we do nothing then the result will be dire. And if you were PM then you would have to be led by them or risk being responsible for tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and the collapse of the NHS . They are our best hope.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

FFS 59er, behave! There is no risk whatsoever of "tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and the collapse of the NHS". Jesus Christ stop reading the media bullsh-it will you and go and have a walk on the beach and find me another lump of whale vomit?

A passing whale will probably throw one up after reading some of the nonsense you post on this forum.

[sinkov]

FFS 59er, behave! There is no risk whatsoever of "tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and the collapse of the NHS". Jesus Christ stop reading the media bullsh-it will you and go and have a walk on the beach and find me another lump of whale vomit?

A passing whale will probably throw one up after reading some of the nonsense you post on this forum.

You waste your time BT, the straw men are out in force again, we want to 'let the virus rip', 'throw our hands up in the air and do nowt', it's a waste of time discussing anything with someone who won't engage with your actual points, so I've given up trying. This is a poster who plucks ficticious death figures out of thin air, thinks the virus peaked later that it did because he was looking at the wrong figures and was telling us that if we didn't wear masks there would be another lockdown, well we did wear masks, so that went well didn't it.

[sinkov]

Happy days, Majestic are staying open, they've been classed as an 'essential service', fair enough, if you shut all the pubs I suppose they must be.

It is just another example of lunacy though, you run a shop selling wines, beers and spirits you can stay open, you run a gym, you have to close. FFS

[1959_60]

FFS 59er, behave! There is no risk whatsoever of "tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and the collapse of the NHS". Jesus Christ stop reading the media bullsh-it will you and go and have a walk on the beach and find me another lump of whale vomit?

A passing whale will probably throw one up after reading some of the nonsense you post on this forum.

I well remember back at the start of the first lockdown that you were scoffing at the possibility of 10,000 deaths in the UK. That went well for you, eh?

Now we are at the start of a second wave which is widely predicted to be worse than the first...unless you know better (again!)

The whale vomit hunting has not been very productive lately. The best I can offer are loads of interesting pieces of drift wood, old boots, a small dead porpoise and a pile of seaweed. i need to up my game...

[1959_60]

You waste your time BT, the straw men are out in force again, we want to 'let the virus rip', 'throw our hands up in the air and do nowt', it's a waste of time discussing anything with someone who won't engage with your actual points, so I've given up trying. This is a poster who plucks ficticious death figures out of thin air, thinks the virus peaked later that it did because he was looking at the wrong figures and was telling us that if we didn't wear masks there would be another lockdown, well we did wear masks, so that went well didn't it.

Well, I'm waiting for you to tell us what you would do, apart from not locking us down and removing our masks?
Which fictitious death figures have I quoted?
The peak for deaths in the first wave occurred on 8th April...? Which figures are YOU using?
I don't recall saying that if people didn't wear masks then there would be a second lockdown?
I can see the sense in wearing masks though, because if you cough or sneeze, the particles would travel much further.

Apart from that, an excellent post Mon Ami - keep it up

[The Bedlington Terrier]

10,000 usual deaths per week has not been surpassed since March Councillor.

You give me proof otherwise and I will shut up.

[1959_60]

10,000 usual deaths per week has not been surpassed since March Councillor.

You give me proof otherwise and I will shut up.

Who has ever mentioned 10,000 deaths per week???

The original 10,000 deaths that you rubbished was the total number in the pandemic.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

FFS Jim! We lose 10,000 souls per week on average and have done for the last ten years.

We are not getting (in your words, not mine) any "exponential increase" in that amount of people dying since March.

I can understand the lying, duplicitous Tories playing games 59er, but not the Lib Dems.

Oh! Hang on.

[1959_60]

FFS Jim! We lose 10,000 souls per week on average and have done for the last ten years.

We are not getting (in your words, not mine) any "exponential increase" in that amount of people dying since March.

I can understand the lying, duplicitous Tories playing games 59er, but not the Lib Dems.

Oh! Hang on.

Sorry BT, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Yes, in a normal year, around 10,000 people die each week. No argument there.

But when the figure of 10,000 total deaths due to Covid (not per week) was mentioned you rubbished it. I have tried to search for your post from around March but apparently you can only go back 500 posts, which was in September.

Shall we have a sweep for how many total deaths due to Covid there will be by the end of the year? Say £5 each? I reckon 80,000 give or take. That's around another 33,000 from today.

And I am good at this kind of stuff - ask Sinkov