This insanity is endless...

[oldcolner]

Scientific advisers, BT. Good isn't it. Read all about it yesterday and it is amazing to think about the amount of garbage that is being peddled to the gullible. We only had 232 hospitals which didn't have any Covid patients at all according to some other scientists. Make your own mind up about it.

There are lots of hospitals unsuited to treating COVID patients supersub.

Meanwhile https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54802090

The NHS in England has been placed on its highest alert level, bosses have announced.
The move by NHS England means staff can be moved around the country, while patients may be sent to other regions for treatment if Covid threatens to overwhelm local services.
Health bosses said they were seriously concerned, adding the NHS was facing a "very difficult winter".
But they said they hoped lockdown would help avoid major disruption.
Evidence presented at a press briefing in London suggested hospitals could take a maximum of 20,000 Covid patients before other services, such as routine surgery, would be disrupted.
Hospitals are currently treating just over 10,000 patients - and are expected to get close to the 20,000-mark in the coming weeks, given the infection levels seen recently.

Let’s hope this doesn’t happen. There will also be trauma patients, flu patients and others needing ITU care.

[Norder]

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old mum stuck in a "care" home- could be a month or more before you get to see her again...perhaps she'll get so down with the confinement and lack of contact, she might just give up....never see her alive again. Had the idea to take her out of there, take her home, be around a loving family - Think Again....






have these Pig F@ck Scum - got no Fecking Conscience - no value system - no sense of right or wrong, guess not....well ok, how about if we follow their lead, see how they like it.





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[sinkov]

"Health bosses said they were seriously concerned, adding the NHS was facing a "very difficult winter".

When was the last time the NHS didn't face a difficult winter ? A bed shortage, patients on trolleys in corridors, ambulances queueing up, waiting rooms overflowing, just another autumn day at the NHS office.

Have a look at the Guardian, December 4th 2000. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/dec/04/health2

"Tony Blair, has joined health experts in predicting that the health service faces a "tough" winter. Many fear it will be unable to cope with the expected level of illness."

And it was nothing new, it was the same the year before, 1999.

"Last winter's bout brought the NHS to a near standstill - and last January, there were reports of less than 30 emergency beds across the country."

But please don't tell anyone, they think we might not have noticed that this is an annual event, some of them want you to believe that this wouldn't be happening, if only Boris had locked us down for two weeks in September. They really do think that we are complete and utter imbeciles, and when I look around at people walking and cycling in fresh air, or driving their cars, with muzzles on, I think they may be right.

[oldcolner]

"Health bosses said they were seriously concerned, adding the NHS was facing a "very difficult winter".

When was the last time the NHS didn't face a difficult winter ? A bed shortage, patients on trolleys in corridors, ambulances queueing up, waiting rooms overflowing, just another autumn day at the NHS office.

Have a look at the Guardian, December 4th 2000. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/dec/04/health2

"Tony Blair, has joined health experts in predicting that the health service faces a "tough" winter. Many fear it will be unable to cope with the expected level of illness."

And it was nothing new, it was the same the year before, 1999.

"Last winter's bout brought the NHS to a near standstill - and last January, there were reports of less than 30 emergency beds across the country."

But please don't tell anyone, they think we might not have noticed that this is an annual event, some of them want you to believe that this wouldn't be happening, if only Boris had locked us down for two weeks in September. They really do think that we are complete and utter imbeciles, and when I look around at people walking and cycling in fresh air, or driving their cars, with muzzles on, I think they may be right.

Sinkov COVID is not flu, this is not just about beds it’s about staff too, you only have to watch the news to see lots of doctors saying they are stressed and COVID numbers in some places are already higher than March. Staff may have to isolate or die from it, reducing numbers that can be treated, the PPE makes lives hard and uncomfortable. Hospitals in Glasgow are at capacity now, and predictions are we will need the same again by the month end, so new patients depend on someone leaving, you can’t treat COVID on a trolley they need isolation or hospitals become spreaders and staff get it.
If hospitals are full people won’t get treated properly and must stay at home possibly alone. Some will die there and may not be found for days. We’re mostly in the vulnerable groups, men, over 65, so need to look after ourselves.

Whether people where coverings outside is their choice and some may have good reason to do it. Over protection must be better than under protection.

[Norder]

Whether people where coverings outside is their choice and some may have good reason to do it. Over protection must be better than under protection.

completely agree - Colner....tis the choice of the individual, and those ones at greatest risk of catching a bug...if it life threatening to them (badly ill,weak immunity,etc) should as ever, perhaps take precautionary steps to minimise their susceptibility - but that would be down to them, them alone....If it was me, you see....I wouldn't expect others to don a full breathing apparatus on my behalf - I'd think that somewhat unfair...cos I would'nt dream of "imagining" that all and sundry have got something nasty that's going to do me in, that'd cause perfectly healthy people everywhere to wear masks on account of (Chris Whitty) a small and vulnerable minority.

[sinkov]

I rarely watch the news OC, there are many doctors who will say they're not stressed, but they choose not to interview them, I don't trust the media with the stats, nor the politicians, I tend to check the stats on the GOV.UK website and draw my own conclusions.

Two recent examples, Glum and Glummer presented part of a NHS chart on TV last Saturday showing the 29 worst affected hospitals, it looked like a grim situation, what they didn't show, or tell you, was that the chart in it's entirety showed 232 hospitals with no Covid patients at all. That didn't fit their narrative, that we're being swamped by a second wave and we should be very afraid indeed, so they just don't tell you the true situation. It's an old trick, the incomplete picture, the BBC are specialists at it, you can't say they're lying, they just don't tell the whole truth. Incidentally on November 1st there were 9,077 Covid patients in hospital in England, compared with 17,172 at the peak in April.

Today at PMQs Starmer quoted the number of today's deaths, which seemed such a suspiciously massive increase on anything I'd seen on GOV.UK that I went back to check. I found he'd taken a leaf straight out of 59s playbook, he was using the deaths by date reported figure, instead of the the deaths by date of death. Of course there's a lag at weekend in the reporting of deaths, so you get a couple of quiet days followed by a couple of big increases on the next couple of days as the reports come in. For England the figures for 3rd/4th November are 359 and 388, the two previous days were 132 and 125, a 4 day average of 251, but when you want to play politics with people's lives and livelihoods, of course you'll use the bigger figure.

You trust them if you want OC, I don't, and there's no need to, the actual stats are there for us all to see.

[oldcolner]

completely agree - Colner....tis the choice of the individual, and those ones at greatest risk of catching a bug...if it life threatening to them (badly ill,weak immunity,etc) should as ever, perhaps take precautionary steps to minimise their susceptibility - but that would be down to them, them alone....If it was me, you see....I wouldn't expect others to don a full breathing apparatus on my behalf - I'd think that somewhat unfair...cos I would'nt dream of "imagining" that all and sundry have got something nasty that's going to do me in, that'd cause perfectly healthy people everywhere to wear masks on account of (Chris Whitty) a small and vulnerable minority.

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But how do you or they know they/ you are perfectly healthy, you /they are infectious before you/they get the symptoms.
The real point of face coverings is to protect others from you, trapping some of your cough or sneeze or shout, to fully protect yourself you need much better quality products and to cover your eyes too. I have seen some of those in gas mask type coverings with cartridge filters. Surgical type Masks and glasses will cut down the viral load you receive and that should give you a milder infection unless you are vulnerable.
It helps you if others are wearing a face covering when they cough or sneeze. If there’s no one around you obviously don’t need a mask.

[sinkov]

It helps you if others are wearing a face covering when they cough or sneeze. If there’s no one around you obviously don’t need a mask.

This is the 3rd or 4th time I've read on here about people coughing and sneezing in your face, and I have to say I think it's a bit of a red herring. People do not normally cough or sneeze in other people's faces, if they feel a cough or sneeze coming on they will turn away and cough or sneeze into their hand or handkerchief. And that's in normal times, in the current situation I can't imagine anyone actually sneezing or coughing in someone's face, and besides with social distancing it must be very rare that we get within sneezing distance of anyone anyway. Certainly since this kicked in in March I've not been aware of anyone at all coughing or sneezing in my vicinity, never mind in my face. I think the average member of the public is probably in more danger of being hit on the head by a falling coconut, than by having someone sneeze in their face.

[oldcolner]

This is the 3rd or 4th time I've read on here about people coughing and sneezing in your face, and I have to say I think it's a bit of a red herring. People do not normally cough or sneeze in other people's faces, if they feel a cough or sneeze coming on they will turn away and cough or sneeze into their hand or handkerchief. And that's in normal times, in the current situation I can't imagine anyone actually sneezing or coughing in someone's face, and besides with social distancing it must be very rare that we get within sneezing distance of anyone anyway. Certainly since this kicked in in March I've not been aware of anyone at all coughing or sneezing in my vicinity, never mind in my face. I think the average member of the public is probably in more danger of being hit on the head by a falling coconut, than by having someone sneeze in their face.

Lol
One outpatient in radiotherapy coughed near me. No mask I had mine on,I agree I was citing an extreme to make the point. Masks or face coverings and glasses will help coughs and sneezes that can travel over 20 feet I’m told.

scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, it’s not just the person next to us we should worry about: coughing spreads droplets as far as six metres, and sneezing as much as eight metres. These droplets stay suspended in the air for up to 10 minutes.

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But how do you or they know they/ you are perfectly healthy.

as ever Colner...over all these years, you dont let it concern you - worst comes to worts - I drop some Vit C, grab a Scotch, and blow it out.....let the natural immune defenses do their stuff - as for those that are panicky about it, or (as Whitty) the small minority of folk with an immune weakness - well thats up to them, can wear a full space suit if they like.