This insanity is endless...

[1959_60]

Do you know the answer to BT's question 59, does this vaccine stop you getting it, or just helps if you do ? Serious question, I don't know the answer.

Stops you getting it I believe.

[sinkov]

Stops you getting it I believe.

Interesting that 59, I'll see if I can dig out what I read about the trials, but it was a while ago now. Maybe they've discovered by accident it stops you getting it, but from what I read they weren't aiming for that, and it was quoting from the drug companies own reports.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Interesting that 59, I'll see if I can dig out what I read about the trials, but it was a while ago now. Maybe they've discovered by accident it stops you getting it, but from what I read they weren't aiming for that, and it was quoting from the drug companies own reports.

Pfizer claimed they invented Viagra by accident too sinkov. They were hoping to find a drug that would de-sludge heart arteries, but found taking a tablet gave the taker a hard on instead.

That being the case, will an injection to stop one getting Corona virus result in a permanent erection? If so sign me up.

[Supersub6]

Pfizer claimed they invented Viagra by accident too sinkov. They were hoping to find a drug that would de-sludge heart arteries, but found taking a tablet gave the taker a hard on instead.

That being the case, will an injection to stop one getting Corona virus result in a permanent erection? If so sign me up.

LOL ---BT,as an added bonus -----you can have mine too!

[oldcolner]

Stops you getting it I believe.

59 been busy today hope this helps

All vaccines aim to stimulate the bodies immune system to generate antibodies and T cells that will kill any corona virus that gets into the body. This one is unusual as it uses part of the genetic RNA to do that, usually you can be given a live virus that has been made less virulent, or a killed virus. It’s trial and error to see what works.

This one poses logistic issues as it has to be stored in a deep freeze at -80 deg C so that will be a challenge for transportation and distribution to those injecting it.

I heard that the 90% success related to around 90 patients. So it needs more work.
I think the brains behind this is in BioNtech the German company with Pfizer having the manufacturing and testing capacity. It was a deliberate action not serendipitous.

[Supersub6]

59 been busy today hope this helps

All vaccines aim to stimulate the bodies immune system to generate antibodies and T cells that will kill any corona virus that gets into the body. This one is unusual as it uses part of the genetic RNA to do that, usually you can be given a live virus that has been made less virulent, or a killed virus. It’s trial and error to see what works.

This one poses logistic issues as it has to be stored in a deep freeze at -80 deg C so that will be a challenge for transportation and distribution to those injecting it.

I heard that the 90% success related to around 90 patients. So it needs more work.
I think the brains behind this is in BioNtech the German company with Pfizer having the manufacturing and testing capacity. It was a deliberate action not serendipitous.

OC-- your penultimate sentence is correct and even that is subject to further analysis. Perhaps we shall have to wait a little longer before the world is saved.

[Norder]

59 been busy today hope this helps

All vaccines aim to stimulate the bodies immune system to generate antibodies and T cells that will kill any corona virus that gets into the body. This one is unusual as it uses part of the genetic RNA to do that, usually you can be given a live virus that has been made less virulent, or a killed virus. It’s trial and error to see what works.
This one poses logistic issues as it has to be stored in a deep freeze at -80 deg C so that will be a challenge for transportation and distribution to those injecting it.
I heard that the 90% success related to around 90 patients. So it needs more work.
I think the brains behind this is in BioNtech the German company with Pfizer having the manufacturing and testing capacity. It was a deliberate action not serendipitous.

interesting reading Colner....thanks for the info - saves me looking at the latest Gov updates !

....am sure you'll be first in line for the jab...or did you apply to be a guinea pig ?.....must say, I will be a little concerned for you, with those billions paid out by big pharma for all those Serious side effects...and then those nasty reactions of mixing the chemical cocktails, already on something ?....but haven't the big pharma's been given indemnity ?....thats' good for "them" - imagine that bill if things go pear shaped, - and when you think, is thought necessary that clinical trials should run to about 5+ years, and if it passed muster... you'd need that again before it could be properly distributed - clinical trial after clinical trial after clinical trial...Slowly increasing the strength - then If successful, there's the registration, then the licensing - pre-clincical to launch etc....takes Years of work...but, even then, can all amount to nothing - as we know, vaccine success is only around the 20% mark.... .
Thankfully, we have the Govs own Chris Whitty to settle the fear... that other than a very small minority, this bug is much ado about nothing, so doubt the large majority will need a jab, though as we know, folk regularly take more than they...need.

[sinkov]

Stops you getting it I believe.

In the Mail yesterday, Ben Spencer, their Medical Correspondent said, "It is not yet clear whether this simply stops people developing symptoms. or whether it stops people contracting the virus in the first place." I can only think that if Pfizer haven't made it clear, it's because Pfizer don't really know, do they. What else don't they know about it ?

Another thing slightly disconcerting, the Mail also had a Q & A box, there were ten questions, but none was asking about any possible side-effects, which I would have thought would be most people's priority, but buried away in one of the answers was this priceless gem, 'Patients will have to stay for 15 minutes after the vaccination is administered to make sure there are no immediate side-effects'. So they are anticipating side-effects, they just don't know what they might be, nor how long before the effects might be felt.

I don't think I'll be putting myself at the head of the queue to be experimented on. After you Claud, or Boris.

[Supersub6]

In the Mail yesterday, Ben Spencer, their Medical Correspondent said, "It is not yet clear whether this simply stops people developing symptoms. or whether it stops people contracting the virus in the first place." I can only think that if Pfizer haven't made it clear, it's because Pfizer don't really know, do they. What else don't they know about it ?

Another thing slightly disconcerting, the Mail also had a Q & A box, there were ten questions, but none was asking about any possible side-effects, which I would have thought would be most people's priority, but buried away in one of the answers was this priceless gem, 'Patients will have to stay for 15 minutes after the vaccination is administered to make sure there are no immediate side-effects'. So they are anticipating side-effects, they just don't know what they might be, nor how long before the effects might be felt.

I don't think I'll be putting myself at the head of the queue to be experimented on. After you Claud, or Boris.

sinkov --you are a gambler and yet you say that you will not gamble on this wonder cure --or whatever else it is. THat being the case, just think what a job they are going to have with a non-gambler who is watching the developments with ever-increasing cynicism!
That same survey said exactly what I had said ---some would consider the vaccine if Boris et al took it first!

[sinkov]

sinkov --you are a gambler and yet you say that you will not gamble on this wonder cure --or whatever else it is.

No, that's not the case Sub, I won't gamble with my money, nor with my life. I do invest money on the outcome of sporting events, mainly horse racing and football, but there has to be a return on that investment, and there is, I check my accounts, methods and systems on a weekly basis to ensure they remain profitable. When it becomes clear that I can't ensure a return on my investments I'll stop doing it, I won't gamble with my money.