Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
I remember going to New Orleans on business many moons ago, then one of the gun crime capitals of USA. Was talking about if with cab driver as we crossed lake ponchatrain. He was unconcerned, it didn't worry him as it was all black on black crime (although he phrased it less subtly) so he felt perfectly safe.

As for Liberal equating to enlightenment, I think things have moved on past that. Only the enlightened liberals see themselves as enlightened. I suspect most people therefore see them as over enlightened by and large.
The attack on the meaning of liberal is from certain quarters, its fashionable for certain media ad other groups to pour scorn om people who question established beliefs, behaviours and actions. Fortunately society moves on and whilst it may take a time those who wish to live in the past will be left behind moaning and groaning, generally it seems on the internet!

I guess it depends upon what you mean by enlightened? And WTF is meant by over enlightened? Makes no sense to me. Having a liberal viewpoint, is to be encouraged? Why on earth would a sensible person not want to have a liberal viewpoint?