Why The F*ck Is Boris Having To Self Isolate Again?

[mickd1961]

So, yet again, the state of a health sector in a pandemic is of no relevance, the number of ICU beds for instance... Talk about ”old tosh”...

You’re completely missing the point.

You can’t make a vaccine in readiness for a virus that hasn’t yet happened for starters.

With regards to the NHS or any country’s health provision......you can’t possibly fund say 100,000 extra doctors and nurses if a huge number of them are only going to be needed every 100 years.

On the news the other day it was saying that at one hospital trust 600 staff including doctors and nurses were off with Covid.

I accept we should have more doctors and nurses and some extra health provision but none of us would stomach an extra 5% tax just to cover a once in a century eventuality.

I do think respiratory issues are the most likely ongoing issue though.

My solution would be to increase the number of these types of facilities even if they were mothballed at times.

I’d also train and keep on retainer pay an army of private citizens who had trained in this area of nursing.

A bit like being a reservist for the army for use in times of crisis.

There’s no simple way to deal with these sorts of things.

[SwedishBaggie]

You’re completely missing the point.

You can’t make a vaccine in readiness for a virus that hasn’t yet happened for starters.

With regards to the NHS or any country’s health provision......you can’t possibly fund say 100,000 extra doctors and nurses if a huge number of them are only going to be needed every 100 years.

On the news the other day it was saying that at one hospital trust 600 staff including doctors and nurses were off with Covid.

I accept we should have more doctors and nurses and some extra health provision but none of us would stomach an extra 5% tax just to cover a once in a century eventuality.

I do think respiratory issues are the most likely ongoing issue though.

My solution would be to increase the number of these types of facilities even if they were mothballed at times.

I’d also train and keep on retainer pay an army of private citizens who had trained in this area of nursing.

A bit like being a reservist for the army for use in times of crisis.

There’s no simple way to deal with these sorts of things.

I’ve never ever suggested or believed that you could have a vaccine ready for a ”to come pandemic” (plain stupid to believe that). Someone else is missing a point if someone has read that into my comments.

But, countries that cope with this ”better” than others, have better ”equipped health sectors”, as Germany with 30 ICU beds per 100 000 people (Sweden have 5...). To not understand that is also to completely be missing the point.

Standard of health sector together with prudent and well measured rules during the pandemic (because they are needed too) will determine much of how a country and population in total cope with this, and then I include all health aspects, not just C-19.

[WBA1955]

Quite. What I do not understand is Des’ stance.

(quote Scientists had been warning of a global pandemic for years.
Like Churchill they were voices in the wilderness. Government's don't like to invest in anything that costs money, people's lives are secondary.
This is why the death case's in this country are the worst in Europe despite the valiant efforts of our NHS teams.
It's also the reason that I don't believe the government is implenting the law's for the benefit of ordinary people. unquote)

So Scientists have been warning of a pandemic for years, but did they predict the nature of such a pandemic, and if they did, why did they not have a vaccine in place? We all know through history pandemics occur, having the knowledge of what form one will take would require what, a exceptional crystal ball I suspect.

Why do people think the Government are implementing these laws for if not for the safety of the public, oh! let’s not get onto the theorist favoured go to......it is to keep the masses in check, because that is a load of old tosh and simply does not wash with any level minded person.

None of the laws make any sense to me. I haven't seen my mom since March, you can't visit relatives in their homes but you can work with them at work.
Schools and universities are open for hundreds of kid's from different households to mix together.
16 premier league footballers have tested positive but eh, the games go on and player's jump on and kiss each other.
On Monday I collected some flooring from a shop, the shop was closed to the public, so they brought it out for me, but they can still come to my house and measure and fit it even though my relatives can't.
Meanwhile hundreds of people are dying through other causes because appointments have been put back or cancelled.
Suicide's are peaking at an alarming rate.
If you are going to have a lockdown have a lockdown, only going out for essentials. At the moment there are 29 reasons why you can leave your house.
Perhaps my mind is becoming befuddled with age but that makes no sense to me.
As for the government not being interested in the welfare of ordinary people, why have we got food banks, people sleeping rough, including ex servicemen who the hypocritical politicians pretend they are grateful to every November the 11th, before being whisked away to a slap up lunch and a few ports and brandies?

[Barrera]

Just shows how little they know about this virus; they don’t know if he could be a carrier even if he has had the bug before. It said on the news that Boris had been contacted by Test and Trace, he was probably the only person that they could trace, T&T is such a failure, so he is isolating to help them look good. Regarding Test and Trace, the ‘boss’ of that little enterprise, Dildo, certainly wouldn’t make it into our good looking thread, she looks positively equine.

[Baggiemadguern]

None of the laws make any sense to me. I haven't seen my mom since March, you can't visit relatives in their homes but you can work with them at work.
Schools and universities are open for hundreds of kid's from different households to mix together.
16 premier league footballers have tested positive but eh, the games go on and player's jump on and kiss each other.
On Monday I collected some flooring from a shop, the shop was closed to the public, so they brought it out for me, but they can still come to my house and measure and fit it even though my relatives can't.
Meanwhile hundreds of people are dying through other causes because appointments have been put back or cancelled.
Suicide's are peaking at an alarming rate.
If you are going to have a lockdown have a lockdown, only going out for essentials. At the moment there are 29 reasons why you can leave your house.
Perhaps my mind is becoming befuddled with age but that makes no sense to me.
As for the government not being interested in the welfare of ordinary people, why have we got food banks, people sleeping rough, including ex servicemen who the hypocritical politicians pretend they are grateful to every November the 11th, before being whisked away to a slap up lunch and a few ports and brandies?

Des, it must be hard not seeing your mum. No offence intended, but as you are retired, I presume your mum must be a good age herself and that obviously for all concerned is not a good situation. I do hope that you do get to see her and other family soon. As I have said on here previously I perhaps do not have a real understanding of how the UK/World is still in such a mess as we are sorted for the time being and back to normal in our own little Bailiwick of several islands. So I really hope for you and the nation/world as a whole this mess gets sorted soonest.

There is no answer I guess, why globally humans are in such a mess. If I may be so bold to suggest that it is my belief that it is not only the Government that has got this wrong, it is also, in part, the fault of the people. Those that failed to adhere to the rules first time around and when, unfortunately, the rules were prematurely relaxed those that went to crowded beaches and other such like marches in protest of a dead American convict and a cleaner environment etc, were foolish. They may actually be responsible for people dying themselves, as individuals they are perhaps silent killers. If lockdown 1 had been completed properly in the first place it would most likely have been less of a drain on the country’s finances and on the nations health.

To another point of your post.

The world is not a fair place, and yes those that lay wreaths at the cenotaph do so in memory of the fallen and go off to lunch, not right perhaps, but you must also remember that there are many ex-service personnel that are well looked after in homes and like places, indeed many more in those places than actually on the streets I would suspect. The issue is why are some in those places and others not. Drugs, alcohol and mental illnesses may play a big part in why those are not cared for, and who can blame them for what they have become having been through what they have, certainly not me. I agree that they should be cared for but how or where you start is perhaps the hardest bit, rather than the actual caring itself. (Not easy to explain) of course in some cases, like all who are living rough, there are some that will refuse to be helped.

I guess the world as a whole are full of those that have at least something and those that have absolutely nothing. I don’t expect it to change anytime soon that’s for sure.

Take care and I hope you get to see your family soon.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Baggiemadguern makes some very good points. I agree that the government made elementary mistakes e.g. The Chelthenham Festival and the Liverpool game, but the general public also have to shoulder some of the blame. Certain individuals and groups of individuals do not think that rules and regulations apply to them. As a nation, we now think that individual rights come before the good of the nation in general. Short of a vaccine the only way that we will keep this under control is a concerted effort by all, and not just some.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

s. Government's don't like to invest in anything that costs money, people's lives are secondary.
This is why the death case's in this country are the worst in Europe despite the valiant efforts of our NHS teams.
It's also the reason that I don't believe the government is implenting the law's for the benefit of ordinary people.

Following on from Sars the French Govt spent millions of euros and stockpiled billions of PPE items. A few years later they were crucified by public opinion for wasting money and stocks were deplenished and thrown away as they went out of date. Result: Come March 2020 their stock of PPE was about the same as ours.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[WBA1955]

Des, it must be hard not seeing your mum. No offence intended, but as you are retired, I presume your mum must be a good age herself and that obviously for all concerned is not a good situation. I do hope that you do get to see her and other family soon. As I have said on here previously I perhaps do not have a real understanding of how the UK/World is still in such a mess as we are sorted for the time being and back to normal in our own little Bailiwick of several islands. So I really hope for you and the nation/world as a whole this mess gets sorted soonest.

There is no answer I guess, why globally humans are in such a mess. If I may be so bold to suggest that it is my belief that it is not only the Government that has got this wrong, it is also, in part, the fault of the people. Those that failed to adhere to the rules first time around and when, unfortunately, the rules were prematurely relaxed those that went to crowded beaches and other such like marches in protest of a dead American convict and a cleaner environment etc, were foolish. They may actually be responsible for people dying themselves, as individuals they are perhaps silent killers. If lockdown 1 had been completed properly in the first place it would most likely have been less of a drain on the country’s finances and on the nations health.

To another point of your post.

The world is not a fair place, and yes those that lay wreaths at the cenotaph do so in memory of the fallen and go off to lunch, not right perhaps, but you must also remember that there are many ex-service personnel that are well looked after in homes and like places, indeed many more in those places than actually on the streets I would suspect. The issue is why are some in those places and others not. Drugs, alcohol and mental illnesses may play a big part in why those are not cared for, and who can blame them for what they have become having been through what they have, certainly not me. I agree that they should be cared for but how or where you start is perhaps the hardest bit, rather than the actual caring itself. (Not easy to explain) of course in some cases, like all who are living rough, there are some that will refuse to be helped.

I guess the world as a whole are full of those that have at least something and those that have absolutely nothing. I don’t expect it to change anytime soon that’s for sure.

Take care and I hope you get to see your family soon.

She was 87 last month BMG, and I fully appreciate them not allowing visitors. I have read that hopefully they might allow visitors again before Christmas if they are tested beforehand, but tbh i don't know if that's a good thing seeing as they are all very old people in there.
I speak to her on the phone daily and the home gives me a weekly video call.
We haven't seen our son who lives in Aberystwyth since the summer but he is okay, only 36 so no real worries there.
I do follow all the rules and guidelines, but I think they should have been made much stricter if they wanted to see the infection rates fall.
I think schools and universities should have been closed over the winter period, kid's could do most of their work online and play catch-up back at school when the spring arrives.

[Leicesterbaggie]

Fully agree with your last sentence '55!

[mickd1961]

Fully agree with your last sentence '55!

This “spike” started on all the charts shown during the first week or so of September!

HELLO!!!!

Learning is easy enough to do online in the main, only practical learning sessions should be held when necessary and under strict guidelines.

F u c k the “ it’s costing me my uni experience “ nonsense.