O/T:- Millwall FC ban the knee!

[LaxtonLad]

Good for them. It no longer carries a message and is embarrassing to watch grown men bowing to a political gesture that has no personal relevance to them or to most football supporters. A bit like watching the Latin Mass for kids and with just as much result.

[SwalePie]

Good for them. It no longer carries a message and is embarrassing to watch grown men bowing to a political gesture that has no personal relevance to them or to most football supporters. A bit like watching the Latin Mass for kids and with just as much result.

How can it possibly have 'no personal relevance to them or to most football supporters'? Surely they are also their fellow human beings?

ETA: For what it's worth, on a personal level, I do prefer the 'linking arms' gesture to the 'knee' as it visually displays more unity IMHO.

[LaxtonLad]

How can it possibly have 'no personal relevance to them or to most football supporters'? Surely they are also their fellow human beings?

ETA: For what it's worth, on a peronal level, I do prefer the 'linking arms' gesture to the 'knee' as it visually displays more unity IMHO.

Do you really think this taking the knee is done by footballers to show support for their "fellow human beings"? Do we really need a gesture such as this before every game of football? Why not tennis? How about before a game of darts? Or snooker? Do none of those sportsmen and women care about their fellow human beings? Or is it done to avoid moral blackmail and the stigma of racist, or because it's on TV and no-one wants to be pointed at as the odd one out?

I strongly suspect that the vast majority of these kneebenders are thinking more about the game ahead than about the lives of people they have never met nor ever will.

I have more respect for the Millwall fans who booed at a football stadium than the celebrities who wept their crocodile tears in the media.

[SwalePie]

I have more respect for the Millwall fans who booed at a football stadium than the celebrities who wept their crocodile tears in the media.

I agree regarding crocodile tears from celebrities but the other part of your statement leaves me astounded. I have zero respect for either. Saying that, I feel the 'knee' has perhaps become a somewhat stale gesture now.

[LaxtonLad]

I agree regarding crocodile tears from celebrities but the other part of your statement leaves me astounded. I have zero respect for either. Saying that, I feel the 'knee' has perhaps become a somewhat stale gesture now.

You don't think booing is an acceptable way of showing you are fed up with a gesture that has lost it's impact and has now, along with Bovril and the players' warm up, become a pre-match routine? "Taking the knee" is a laughable phrase and the gesture itself lost it's impact as a statement of solidarity weeks ago and which would have been booed at then, had fans been let into games. Expect more of the same till the authorities remember it's a game of footie for the working man and not a political rally and scrap "taking the knee".

[SwalePie]

You don't think booing is an acceptable way of showing you are fed up with a gesture that has lost it's impact and has now, along with Bovril and the players' warm up, become a pre-match routine? "Taking the knee" is a laughable phrase and the gesture itself lost it's impact as a statement of solidarity weeks ago and which would have been booed at then, had fans been let into games. Expect more of the same till the authorities remember it's a game of footie for the working man and not a political rally and scrap "taking the knee".

I agree, as I said, that it has gone stale. When CK first started it there was a great impact but that has long faded, however, I find it at best 'questionable' that those fans at Millwall were booing because they have become bored with it. That's naive IMHO.

[cher1]

Expect more of the same till the authorities remember it's a game of footie for the working man

Bloody hell I wish I'd known, all those years I've been watching and it's not for me Think of all the heartache I could have saved.

[SwalePie]

Bloody hell I wish I'd known, all those years I've been watching and it's not for me Think of all the heartache I could have saved.

[Elite_Pie]

Bloody hell I wish I'd known, all those years I've been watching and it's not for me Think of all the heartache I could have saved.

Yeah, and don't forget all the extra pot washing, hoovering and ironing you could have done!

I normally agree with Laxton, but if he honestly thinks that those Millwall fans who booed were simply "fed up with a gesture that's lost it's impact", we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.