Quote Originally Posted by Zippity View Post
Was going to start this thread at the weekend but got involved in a 'discussion' with a mate who was trying to convince me that the Milwall fans were objecting to the politics of the BLM movement as opposed to just being the racist morons that I think they are. I think anyone who falls for that line is naive in the extreme...and that's being kind, tbh.

This is a separate issue, imo, from the continuing efficacy of taking the knee and that's a whole different discussion, I think, albeit mentioning it here is relevant to the issue. It may well be that it's becoming almost a Pavlovian response, i.e. the Ref blows his whistle and the players are conditioned to kneeling automatically without considering why...and the danger is that this attitude becomes prevalent among the fans. I've been surprised with the depth of negative reaction to it continuing as it doesn't annoy me like it does some others and, if it is going to go, it needs to be on the back of something which turns this gesture into action (no, it's not just football's problem but since football has such a prominent place in so many people's lives, it was definitely an appropriate place to copy Colin Kaepernick's original gesture...but, like I say, that's a whole other thread).

But-Milwall are playing tomorrow and have announced that they're not going to take the knee but, instead, stand arm in arm in a gesture of solidarity.....

How to move on from taking the knee, in a way that moves the issue forward, is something that is now being discussed and I think taking the knee might not continue for much longer...but surely deciding not to do it the very next game after your fans have booed it (at the very first opportunity) looks like a very weak decision that, in some ways, hands a victory to the racists.

Yes? No? Thoughts?

And before anyone says it, I'm not entirely discounting the possibility that some of those booing were motivated by the Black Lives Matter organisation's links to some groups who have either an anti-Police or anti-semitic/anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian stance.

Although, if you believe that, you believe that Milwall supporters were, effectively, supporting the Police and Jewish people.

ok

Maybe i am discounting the possibility.
Eloquently put but I for one feel that the symbolic kneeling has long since past its sell by date.Take for example the gesture of clapping the NHS.There came a time when it was considered unnecessary as we will forever be grateful.There will no doubt (rightly) in the future be need to reaffirm our gratitude but the point has been made.There should not under any circumstances have been any open dissension to the kneeling - thats Millwall supporters for you, but I feel that many supporters are tiring of this,without in any way 'demonising' the BLM movement or its motives. Just my opinion.