The Corona Virus

[sinkov]

In the old days it took years sometimes to identify side effects, thalidomide took from 1957 to 1961 for the disastrous effects on the foetus to be tracked back to it. They are much better at it now.

This is indeed the problem with long term side effects OC, they take a long time to become apparent.

[oldcolner]

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this is no Joke...big pharma, rushes out, at unprecidented off the scale speed - a genetic mRna £Vaccine£...a type that has never before been licensed for use in Human beings...It was only a few weeks ago that they were looking at results from their questionable trials, for a vaccine that up until now - took many many years of research and Testing to finalise, with only a tiny hope of a positive result - and the fact that this (mRNA-DNA copy) is a gentic delivery system that will hijack cells and build a viral attack so as to force the bodys natural defece system into overdrive, is to me...a manipulation too far, and being that as we know, this "Virus" ( as others) is only a danger to a small percentage of people - looking to inject everyone - is very scary, and should be to all. Thats my view....Viruses come and go, they have done for millions of years, the body knows that, we're connected to it, are full of viruses, hundreds of millions of them - and if our immune system is working well, then Why would we seek to alter it...Force it into action, stressing it ? damaging it ? - replacing it with something foreign, that who knows, could destroy the natural sending us (at best) to complete reliance on fake pharmecuticals....and then, there's those ill side effects. Again...am just airing my own feelings, as whats best for others is down to them alone to decide...for them to do their own research, from all angles - ask the questions, what is it / in it etc..All I know, is that I'd Never Ever advocate a potential pandoras box of uncertainty to any, especially when...as we've been told, and can see...to the sure vast majority - the alternative, is of little to no great risk.

Are you working for the Russians too Norder. What a load of scaremongering bull. Your views they may be but they have no scientific basis. Putin will love you though.


Your comments in bold are absolute nonsense.
New Flu vaccines are done at this speed every year, it’s rare for the same vaccine to be used more than one year.
What is questionable about the trials 22000 people have had it flu - vaccines only have 5000 The MHRA check these and will not approve anything that is unsafe or ineffective. The volume of paperwork would fill your bedroom.
Will hijack cells - no that’s what viruses do, the vaccine stimulates antibodies and T cells to stop that.
Contrary to your view the immune systems for most people cannot deal with this virus, and the virus can overstimulate the immune system to attack their bodies nerves, brain, heart and more. I’ve been there after an infection and lost all sensation of touch, could hardly walk, lost my sense of balance, could not speak or swallow. Off for 5 months to recover but never been quite the same.
Your no risk alternative is 1 in 60 of 70million people with long COVID and 1.5million more dead in 9 months.
You complain about the speed -surely this is what the world is waiting for and needs it as fast as possible. How long would you like to wait then?

[oldcolner]

This is indeed the problem with long term side effects OC, they take a long time to become apparent.

The thalidomide side effects were not long term, you just needed to take a dose in the first trimester and wait to term to see the deformity. What took the time was linking what might be an unusual child that could occur naturally, to the drug they took 6 months earlier. The fact that a GP would only see one such patient meant it took a while for them to realise there were large numbers of these, as most births then were at home.
Long term side effects are effects that flow from taking a drug for months or years not a single dose.

[sinkov]

The thalidomide side effects were not long term, you just needed to take a dose in the first trimester and wait to term to see the deformity. What took the time was linking what might be an unusual child that could occur naturally, to the drug they took 6 months earlier. The fact that a GP would only see one such patient meant it took a while for them to realise there were large numbers of these, as most births then were at home.
Long term side effects are effects that flow from taking a drug for months or years not a single dose.

I wasn't referring in particular to Thalidomide OC, just stating what is surely self-evident, that long term side effects take a long time to become apparent. And there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that, except wait.

But for how long, that's the question.

[Supersub6]

I wasn't referring in particular to Thalidomide OC, just stating what is surely self-evident, that long term side effects take a long time to become apparent. And there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that, except wait.

But for how long, that's the question.

I can only refer to Mike, my specialist friend, who just can't understand why they try to change medication for people when the original is working well, as in my case. As he said, they think that one of the pills I was taking could cause Type 2 Diabetes so they want to change it, however, at our age the consequences of getting diabetes are not worth bothering about.
This is my attitude to any side effects on any medicine because I have no intention of living for ever ---I may start worrying about things if I knew that I was.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I will wait a while.

[oldcolner]

I wasn't referring in particular to Thalidomide OC, just stating what is surely self-evident, that long term side effects take a long time to become apparent. And there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that, except wait.

But for how long, that's the question.

QUOTE=sinkov;39642890]I wasn't referring in particular to Thalidomide OC, just stating what is surely self-evident, that long term side effects take a long time to become apparent. And there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that, except wait.

But for how long, that's the question. [/QUOTE]

I assume you mean belated side effects - long term side effects means the side effects after taking a medicine over a long term ie years.
The real question is can you name any single dose medicine that generated side effects years later in life. Thalidomide possibly needed one dose but was usually taken for longer.
Dr Wakefield levelled accusations against MMR vaccine given to infants, but they were discredited and he was struck off.
Most immunisations are given to children unless you travel abroad.

Have you had any vaccines eg flu, meningococcal, tetanus or shingles? I’ve had them all and the annual flu vaccine.

[oldcolner]

I can only refer to Mike, my specialist friend, who just can't understand why they try to change medication for people when the original is working well, as in my case. As he said, they think that one of the pills I was taking could cause Type 2 Diabetes so they want to change it, however, at our age the consequences of getting diabetes are not worth bothering about.
This is my attitude to any side effects on any medicine because I have no intention of living for ever ---I may start worrying about things if I knew that I was.

I’m with you on that super, unless you get diabetes. That would be when I would consider change, but first I would get them to check whether I still needed the medicine in the first place.

[oldcolner]

I will wait a while.

I think by the time we get called there will be millions who have had it before us and the risks will be better and more accurately quantified. I’m not bothered by the odd pain, there’s a few on here , or headache. I have no allergies and my medicines don’t interact with vaccines - few do. I may grow two heads though after 10 years, I might need the extra brain cells by then. Lol

[Supersub6]

I’m with you on that super, unless you get diabetes. That would be when I would consider change, but first I would get them to check whether I still needed the medicine in the first place.

OC --they tried to get me on statins about 6 years ago. I asked why because I knew that there was nothing wrong with my cholestrol. The answer was that the government want everyone over 50 or something to be on statins. I refused because I knew, through my daughter-in-law that this was jsut another way for the surgery to make some money!
Next blood test, they fif not give me the result, they just sai that I was Type 2 diabetic and that I should attend this, that and the other and take Metformin. I discussed this with my daughter-in-law and she thought that it was strange that this came up only 6 months after I refused statins!
Anyway, the tablets went down the toilet and I carried on my life as normal. Next blood test I was told that the tablets were working well because I was not even on the scale for diabetes. I continued on for 3 years, having eyes, feet etc. checked until, one day, a new diabetic nurse came on the scene. I went in for the results of my blood test and she asked me why I was going to all these diabetic things. I said because I was told that I was type 2 diabetic, her response was that I had neve been on the scale and she would be taking me off. That was 4 years ago and it was unknowingly confirmed to me by my GP just two weeks ago that I NEVER was diabetic!

At 74 later this month, I have to admit that, if they turned round tomorrow and said that I was type 2 diabetic, it would not make one iota of difference to my life because I have no symptoms whatsoever, I never had in the first place and I will just carry on as normal.

I know all about diabetes with a daughter-in-law and grandson who are both type 1 and insulin dependant and I will do everything I can to look after them as I am this Christmas with my son away on RAF operations in the Middle East.

The nanny state does absolutely nothing for me, I have gone through all sorts and will deal with whatever is thrown at me and my family!