The Corona Virus

[oldcolner]

"They" certainly know how to rack up the fear factor sinkov.

The mythical they BT. Who are they?

Of course those dying after 28 days of a test aren’t included and are estimated to be 20% of total deaths

“If we compare the UK daily data with the ONS data for England and Wales up to 31st July there were 51,210 deaths registered where COVID-19 was listed on the medical certificate of death as a cause/contributing factor) Using the new daily reported figures for COVID deaths with the new data 41,189 were reported (across the whole of the UK) up to 31st July.

[oldcolner]

Glasgow shops reopen after 3 weeks.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The mythical they BT. Who are they?

Of course those dying after 28 days of a test aren’t included and are estimated to be 20% of total deaths

“If we compare the UK daily data with the ONS data for England and Wales up to 31st July there were 51,210 deaths registered where COVID-19 was listed on the medical certificate of death as a cause/contributing factor) Using the new daily reported figures for COVID deaths with the new data 41,189 were reported (across the whole of the UK) up to 31st July.

You are obviously in the know OC and you know who "they" are - SAGE, WHO, NHS, BBC, SKY and any other acronyms and abbreviations you can muster.

[oldcolner]

You are obviously in the know OC and you know who "they" are - SAGE, WHO, NHS, BBC, SKY and any other acronyms and abbreviations you can muster.

You suggesting all these people conspired to move 2 deaths to COVID to frighten everyone but removed 15% of real COVID deaths to do the same. Some power of logic there. Lol

[sinkov]

You suggesting all these people conspired to move 2 deaths to COVID to frighten everyone but removed 15% of real COVID deaths to do the same. Some power of logic there. Lol

These 15% of Covid deaths OC, are they people who died 'from' Covid, or people who died 'with' Covid ? Or do you not know ?

[oldcolner]

These 15% of Covid deaths OC, are they people who died 'from' Covid, or people who died 'with' Covid ? Or do you not know ?

Both I imagine Sinkov as it comes from death certificates which record primary cause and contributing factors, like the rest of the deaths.

[sinkov]

Both I imagine Sinkov as it comes from death certificates which record primary cause and contributing factors, like the rest of the deaths.

This is the problem I have with the figures OC, they are not a true record of the number of deaths caused by the virus. They are simply the number of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test, and as such they include people whose test result will have been a false positive, people who have tested positive but whose death will have had nothing to do with Covid, people for whom Covid was a contributing factor and people who will have died directly as a result of contracting the virus. At least five different categories and no one knows how many deaths should be attributed to each category.

Of course I can see the difficulty 'they' must have in compiling accurate figures, but it's the eagerness 'they' have to lump them all together and publicise them on a daily basis as the official Covid death figures that makes me suspicious. They are simply not what 'they' claim them to be.

[Norder]

This is the problem I have with the figures OC, they are not a true record of the number of deaths caused by the virus. They are simply the number of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test, and as such they include people whose test result will have been a false positive, people who have tested positive but whose death will have had nothing to do with Covid, people for whom Covid was a contributing factor and people who will have died directly as a result of contracting the virus.

also, without any diagnostic proof - Sinkov....just guesswork, and no information available, other than- they popped it - so must be the dreaded Convid, right ?

[oldcolner]

This is the problem I have with the figures OC, they are not a true record of the number of deaths caused by the virus. They are simply the number of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test, and as such they include people whose test result will have been a false positive, people who have tested positive but whose death will have had nothing to do with Covid, people for whom Covid was a contributing factor and people who will have died directly as a result of contracting the virus. At least five different categories and no one knows how many deaths should be attributed to each category.

Of course I can see the difficulty 'they' must have in compiling accurate figures, but it's the eagerness 'they' have to lump them all together and publicise them on a daily basis as the official Covid death figures that makes me suspicious. They are simply not what 'they' claim them to be.

Of course it’s complex and evolving, this article explains the factors and rules. You will enjoy reading it
https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...vid-19-deaths/

A few pointers
WHO has issued guidance on definitions.

“Does this mean you have overcounted deaths from COVID-19 in England?
The total number of deaths reported in the daily numbers is less than the total number of deaths registered with COVID-19 on the death certificate, so the numbers reported have not generally been an over estimate.”

We examined all 41,598 deaths in confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported up to 3 August 2020 and found that:
88% of deaths occurred within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test and 96% occurred within 60 days or had COVID-19 on the death certificate
of those who died 29 to 60 days after their positive test, COVID-19 was included on the death certificate for 64%
2,295 (54%) of the 4,219 deaths excluded by a 28-day time limit had COVID-19 on the death certificate
overall 91% of deaths reported by PHE in confirmed cases up to 3 August had COVID-19 on the death certificate.

To monitor trends you need comparable figures every day, week and month. So long as that occurs the figures indicate if the deaths are growing or falling.

[oldcolner]

also, without any diagnostic proof - Sinkov....just guesswork, and no information available, other than- they popped it - so must be the dreaded Convid, right ?

No sorry but that’s not true Norder
I hope the link above helps show how much work is done to check the figures. Doctors falsifying death certificates will be disciplined by the GMC. COVID symptoms are characteristic, however it may be someone’s heart is damaged by the virus, as happened to TV doctor Xand van Tulleken. That could lead to a heart attack directly caused by COVID.
Kate Garraways husband Derek Draper remains in hospital after contracting Covid-19 in March.