London locked down

[regis80]

This thread started with a link to a Tory propaganda rag.

We all have our own opinions, my opinion is this is political. And you ask me the point I'm making, my point is I'm now seeing many people blaming the public on the back of this, whereas the responsibility in my eyes lies with the Government and the PM.

The Government were 100% to blame for people getting on the trains on Saturday night to get out of London. They knew there would be a deluge of people turning up at the train station in an effort to get home in the small window they allowed them to have to comply with the regulations. So yes, I do blame them for the crowded stations. And in all likelihood they did this intentionally to divide opinion and help remove blame from themselves.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, they care more about public opinion / polling than they do about saving lives.

Cannot disagree with you one bit 123, although I think (as i’ve said before) the boris and co clique (hancock, boris, plus one other) just need to be replaced by someone more able within the party at the very least. They’ve made a huge mockery of this situation. Folk on here will keep saying yeah hindsight is a great thing and refer this to Starmer.. but didn’t Starmer come out the other day questioning why the gov did not take action sooner when we knew back in September of the early signs of this new strain? Hancock mentioned early in week yet all over SAge it was know earlier. With Brexit looming and Dover issues surfacing, we are well and truly flukdd.

I’ve said before why do we keep blaming Bame, BLm, students, antivaxxer demos and now londoners.. just so we can all argue amongst ourselves? If we look the other way too long this gov will get away with mass deaths.

What impact have wearing masks really done? Where are these Nightingale hospitals? It sounds a lot worse now than back in April.. yet no NHS nightingale hospitals.

Hancock crying in GMB the other day.. says it all for his sincerity, what a psychopath!

[stripes39]

This thread started with a link to a Tory propaganda rag.

We all have our own opinions, my opinion is this is political. And you ask me the point I'm making, my point is I'm now seeing many people blaming the public on the back of this, whereas the responsibility in my eyes lies with the Government and the PM.

The Government were 100% to blame for people getting on the trains on Saturday night to get out of London. They knew there would be a deluge of people turning up at the train station in an effort to get home in the small window they allowed them to have to comply with the regulations. So yes, I do blame them for the crowded stations. And in all likelihood they did this intentionally to divide opinion and help remove blame from themselves.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, they care more about public opinion / polling than they do about saving lives.

'Get home'? The issue was that a high % of these people lived in the Tier 4 area and were moving out to regions with a lower risk taking the virus with them. I can't see how anyone can have an issue if someone works in London but lives in a Tier 2 region and needs to get home as its something completely different.

A lot of those waiting for trains openly spoke to Sky News as they were on the platforms with suitcases off to various parts of the UK about how they weren't leaving parents on their own etc and wanted out of London to stay with relatives for the holidays. That was the point.

For the last time, I'm not a fan of this government and think it's a total clusterf*ck how they've handled this pandemic but, seems we'll have to agree to disagree.

IMO personal responsibility plays a part in all of this and selfishly thinking only of yourself and leaving a very high risk area to potential go to a Tier 2 such as where I live where pubs and shops are open is downright selfish. Unfortunately it'll take more than Covid to stop the self-entitled generation not doing what they want.

But as I say, if you're saying this mass movement of people leaving Tier 4 or 3 regions to go in to Tier 2 in many cases is 100% all the governments fault then your entitled to your view.

[wbaliquidator]

Mr 123 If the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer you will always be looking for a nail.

[mickd1961]

Cannot disagree with you one bit 123, although I think (as i’ve said before) the boris and co clique (hancock, boris, plus one other) just need to be replaced by someone more able within the party at the very least. They’ve made a huge mockery of this situation. Folk on here will keep saying yeah hindsight is a great thing and refer this to Starmer.. but didn’t Starmer come out the other day questioning why the gov did not take action sooner when we knew back in September of the early signs of this new strain? Hancock mentioned early in week yet all over SAge it was know earlier. With Brexit looming and Dover issues surfacing, we are well and truly flukdd.

I’ve said before why do we keep blaming Bame, BLm, students, antivaxxer demos and now londoners.. just so we can all argue amongst ourselves? If we look the other way too long this gov will get away with mass deaths.

What impact have wearing masks really done? Where are these Nightingale hospitals? It sounds a lot worse now than back in April.. yet no NHS nightingale hospitals.

Hancock crying in GMB the other day.. says it all for his sincerity, what a psychopath!

Most on here will know my feelings towards Hancock, we’d have had more luck with Tony in charge!

Please forgive me for not cuddling up to the Starmer “love in” though.

The bloke is like the bloke on The Fast Show who’s constantly making a statement and then changing it when someone gives him another opinion.

Until he gives us a ten point plan rather than just shouting “shut it down” then I’m afraid he’s worthless.

His position would change if he were PM and trying to keep the economy from totally imploding.

My own view is that the bullet has to be bitten very hard by Sunak and he’s got to pay everyone to stay at home until April and just pray the vaccine does the trick.

The economy is a basket case anyway and will likely take 25 years to recover from this so we might as well accept the inevitable.

This has to be tied in with mandatory taking of the vaccine though with only strict rules for abstaining.

[Baggiemadguern]

The Tory Propaganda Machine is still working its magic on everyone on here I see...

Anyone ever heard of divide and conquer? Let people blame other people for the Govts mistakes...its working well so why change it?

Lets all forget about;
The late lockdown
Face mask fiasco
Delayed Track and Trace system that cost 12 BILLION
Failed PPE equipment, given to their friends
Cummings breaking lockdown rules but being defended
Completely muddled public messaging, which even Bojo didn't understand

But instead lets blame people who were acting within the regulations, who had been promised there would be no lockdown for Christmas who had to change plans at late notice to be with their families. By the way, Bojo has known about this covid variant for weeks, its all over the SAGE minutes.

Remember the golden rule, Bojo doesn't care about anything or anyone apart from himself and the polls.

We are in the unfortunate position of having the worst prime minister, of the worst government at the worst time in charge of the country. And we are paying the price for it.

What an unintelligent ill thought out post, one that contains nothing to evidence it’s content. It is utter stupidity to believe that a UK Government wants Corona virus and, would put its citizens at risk to save face. Your Government has made dreadful and shocking mistakes because of a minority who thought business was more important than health and not putting tougher restrictions in place. One can also blame the public as they do not follow even basic rules because they are a bunch of selfish vile morons who believe their rights outweigh public safety.

[regis80]

Most on here will know my feelings towards Hancock, we’d have had more luck with Tony in charge!

Please forgive me for not cuddling up to the Starmer “love in” though.

The bloke is like the bloke on The Fast Show who’s constantly making a statement and then changing it when someone gives him another opinion.

Until he gives us a ten point plan rather than just shouting “shut it down” then I’m afraid he’s worthless.

His position would change if he were PM and trying to keep the economy from totally imploding.

My own view is that the bullet has to be bitten very hard by Sunak and he’s got to pay everyone to stay at home until April and just pray the vaccine does the trick.

The economy is a basket case anyway and will likely take 25 years to recover from this so we might as well accept the inevitable.

This has to be tied in with mandatory taking of the vaccine though with only strict rules for abstaining.

For the record Mick, my mention of Starmer was not a love in nor an endorsement of him. Unlike some, i don’t follow a party like a cult for life. I just don’t think that those currently in charge are being publicly held accountable enough and we can see that due to the lack of media coverage of opposition parties.

Just so I am clear with you, i’m not a Starmer fan, i don’t get excited one bit when he speaks. However, i’d have him over a salesman running the country.

[WBA123]

What an unintelligent ill thought out post, one that contains nothing to evidence it’s content. It is utter stupidity to believe that a UK Government wants Corona virus and, would put its citizens at risk to save face. Your Government has made dreadful and shocking mistakes because of a minority who thought business was more important than health and not putting tougher restrictions in place. One can also blame the public as they do not follow even basic rules because they are a bunch of selfish vile morons who believe their rights outweigh public safety.

We all have our opinions, you are entitled to yours as I am mine. My view is the UK Government's first priority is not on saving lives, its to look good so they are polling strongly for another term in office.

If that means their supporting media can divide public opinion then so be it. Here we have a thread where almost every poster, including you, are blaming other people. Every country in the world are going to have people who don't follow the rules, why have they coped much better than we have?

And this incident in particular on Saturday evening at a London train station was, in my view, engineered by them. However, their PR skills are fantastic, this thread is an example of it.

[Baggiemadguern]

We all have our opinions, you are entitled to yours as I am mine. My view is the UK Government's first priority is not on saving lives, its to look good so they are polling strongly for another term in office.

If that means their supporting media can divide public opinion then so be it. Here we have a thread where almost every poster, including you, are blaming other people. Every country in the world are going to have people who don't follow the rules, why have they coped much better than we have?

And this incident in particular on Saturday evening at a London train station was, in my view, engineered by them. However, their PR skills are fantastic, this thread is an example of it.

Not all of the media are supportive of your current Government.

I have made a number of posts which reflect that I do believe that the current English Government is a weak one with weak leadership, albeit, I thought Boris was going to be ok as PM.

So countries have fared better, there could be a number of reasons, perhaps they are not so heavily populated. London and the Southeast appears to be areas that are heavily populated. Take that together with a disregard for the restrictions, well it was inevitable what would happen.

I have to agree re the mass exodus form those fore mentioned areas, I do believe that any thinking Governemnt should have been able to predict what happened, but like I have said, the current UK Government is certainly lacking.

I agree we are all entitled to opinions, your post to which I initially replied to, made some statements with nothing to support the content.

[Barrera]

The concept of trying to achieve lockdown in one part of the country is beyond me ...... naturally people will jump on the train, the bus or get in the car to go to a more relaxed region. It’s human nature and however much you try to appeal to people’s common sense .... I just don’t see it working. The only way you will achieve a lockdown .... if it works at all .... is to apply one rule for all. This Tier 1, 2, 3, 4 .... b******t is a political fix ....... as an island country achieving lockdown should be easy ...... stop people coming in and then manage our own affairs ..... like they have done in Australia, New Zealand etc .....

[WBA1955]

I know people who have flaunted the rules and travelled over the border for a pint.
FFS every street has an off license if they are desperate, or they could do without it for a while like me.
I think a lockdown over Christmas and New Year was always on the cards whatever the Covid figures, because we all knew what would happen.