Brexit

[regis80]

Cheese eating surrender monkeys! France has more to loose through no deal than we do, most of rural France is held together by Brit holiday homes, the billions this and our holiday market pumps into their ailing economy keeps them afloat. They will do what they always do like the little man starting a fight from behind his bigger mates, ultimately they will bottle it and we will get a palatable trade agreement.

Not sure what the argument is for Brit holiday homes in France of any relevance? If the brits sold up, that’d only get bought by someone else.. another foreigner or french national. We have many foreign investors who have bought homes here, who if i’m right in saying had some considerable affect on house prices here in the UK. If brits moved out, the French (like we would here) would welcome foreign owners out. It all balances out in the end.

[soulman101]

Looks like a deal has been done, could be done within hours.

[DaveP67 is back!]

Not sure what the argument is for Brit holiday homes in France of any relevance? If the brits sold up, that’d only get bought by someone else.. another foreigner or french national. We have many foreign investors who have bought homes here, who if i’m right in saying had some considerable affect on house prices here in the UK. If brits moved out, the French (like we would here) would welcome foreign owners out. It all balances out in the end.

That’s just it Regis they wouldn’t around a third of all second homes in France are owned by Brits, whereas most and this is a very high percentage of foreign investment in UK property is from outside of the EU..

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I honestly wouldn't waste your time Regis.

Leavers are indoctrinated, they are too far gone.

There are too many other people they will blame like the EU, or civil servants, or remainers, or judges. Anyone apart from the Leave campaign who successfully conned them. They don't want to lose face and admit it.

I spoke to two leavers recently, one voted Leave and said he didn't mind if we were poorer because of it. The other (a guy about 70) told me he voted because we won the war. What hope have you got when a war that finished 80 years ago shapes your opinion on modern day international trade.

I'm still trying to figure out one, just one benefit of leaving. I'm struggling.

The leave campaign was dishonest and misleading, but it was too effective. Leavers actually want to be poorer for no tangible benefits. You can't reason with people like that.

Anyone who cannot find ONE benefit from leaving has a very unbalanced view does as someone who sees NO risk from leaving.

I could give you many many reasons why we might benefit but you won't accept or debate them in a balanced way so what is the point? Instead I'll give you some dialogue from an episode of Yes Minister from 1984 (before your time?) I heard this week.

Minister talking to the EEC Commisioner.

Minister: 'An EEC official spends his entire time paying a lot of farmers to produce masses of surplus food. An official in the next office spends all his time paying others to destroy all the surplus food and then thousands of beurocrats push masses of paper around to make it all happen'

Commissioner: 'But its not true. He is not in the next office he is not even on the same floor'

Minister then threatens to tell the British people what is going on.

Now apoplectic Commissioner 'That is in intolerable. Not even the Italians would stoop so low'

Very funny I hope you agree and imo just one reason one we should leave the sclerotic EU.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Not sure what the argument is for Brit holiday homes in France of any relevance? If the brits sold up, that’d only get bought by someone else.. another foreigner or french national. We have many foreign investors who have bought homes here, who if i’m right in saying had some considerable affect on house prices here in the UK. If brits moved out, the French (like we would here) would welcome foreign owners out. It all balances out in the end.

Housing in much of rural France is in long term and irreversible decline right now.

A very good friend of mine has lived in a small pretty village in Burgundy for many years. Fifty years ago the population was over 1300 it is now 750 of which around 200 are foreigners mostly Dutch, Irish and British. You could buy there for less than £20k. The kids are all moving into the cities and when their parents die the houses are left empty. It used to be that the kids would give away properties to the parish to avoid paying council tax. The situation is now so bad the parish refuse these free houses as they want the income from the tax and have no prospect of selling.

I also know a couple who have a holiday home in the Loire Valley they no longer use but can't sell.

In contrast population of my village has increased by 20% since 2000 and is projected to grow by a similar amount in the next few years.Unfortunately.

[DaveP67 is back!]

Housing in much of rural France is in long term and irreversible decline right now.

A very good friend of mine has lived in a small pretty village in Burgundy for many years. Fifty years ago the population was over 1300 it is now 750 of which around 200 are foreigners mostly Dutch, Irish and British. You could buy there for less than £20k. The kids are all moving into the cities and when their parents die the houses are left empty. It used to be that the kids would give away properties to the parish to avoid paying council tax. The situation is now so bad the parish refuse these free houses as they want the income from the tax and have no prospect of selling.

I also know a couple who have a holiday home in the Loire Valley they no longer use but can't sell.

In contrast population of my village has increased by 20% since 2000 and is projected to grow by a similar amount in the next few years.Unfortunately.

What part of France are you in 9goals? While I might not be a fan of the French state in relation to its control of the EU, rural France is vast and beautiful and I have spent many happy weeks travelling through! From my experience it seems that many picturesque rural villages are only in existence because of ex pat investment, another damming endorsement of the French state!

[Barrera]

Well the deal is done ...... maybe against expectations..... but to the great relief of many ..... devil will be in the details ..... but seems like common sense has finally prevailed after four tortuous years ..... onwards and upwards to what will hopefully be a optimistic new future .... once we solve COVID ...

[boingy]

I think Boris's comments were very balanced. Its never been about turning our backs on Europe. This is more of a side by side BUT more importantly than anything We are separate. So If the EU gets worse (hard to imagine but it is possible) and does something we really don't agree with that could even threaten our national security. we can just leave them to it. Support them IF WE WANT TO. Not be dragged into something WE DON'T WANT. THAT is sovereignty.

[DaveP67 is back!]

Just listening to the Scots Nationalists bleating on, how do they think being a European member state ( if they let them
In) makes them more independent? Tax revenue generated in Scotland amounts to about £66 billion, including North Sea oil revenue, but it benefits from about £81 billion in public spending. That means Scotland benefits from £15 billion more than it puts in. I for one would be very happy for them to go!

[mickd1961]

Just listening to the Scots Nationalists bleating on, how do they think being a European member state ( if they let them
In) makes them more independent? Tax revenue generated in Scotland amounts to about £66 billion, including North Sea oil revenue, but it benefits from about £81 billion in public spending. That means Scotland benefits from £15 billion more than it puts in. I for one would be very happy for them to go!

I’ve got no problem with Scottish independence.........I just enjoy the fact that denying Sturgeon the vote she wants winds them lot up so much.

They’d have to give up the £ in favour of the € for starters and we all know how canny the Scots are when it comes to money matters.

Personally I have no problem if they want to go, maybe the EU will subsidise them rather than us having to do it?

It would also answer the “Midlothian Question”......no longer would we have to put up with their MP’s in our parliament voting on English matters whilst unable to vote in return on their devolved matters.

I think that given the fact that the Torys return of MP’s in Scotland is always a precariously slim number and that there’s always the possibility of a Labour improvement in MP numbers in the country that certain Tory’s would let a vote take place at some point.

It won’t be Boris though as he believes in the Union.

If we as U.K. citizens are accepting ( which I believe most of us are ) that we may be a bit poorer financially in the short term until we really set our country up to trade as we want to do internationally for the next 30 years then the Scots need to be wary of voting for a double dose of this.

On balance I’d give them the vote but as I say, it is fun watching wee Krankie get so het up and the SNP’s jumped up gob s h y t e leader in the commons 😆😆