What the game showed me today....like I didn;t allready know

[PedroTheFisherman66]

How does changing the manager increase the chances of promotion? What if Ardley is getting the most out of this squad? What if the new manager doesn’t want to utilise the owners Radar? What if the new man is ‘underwhelming’?
Changing manager does not automatically increase your chances of success. Surely you have witnessed first hand like I have as a Notts fan the complete opposite? We have sacked and sacked and sacked managers religiously for decades. Look where we are now.

Are you crazy ?
you get a better manager in, and that improves your chance of promotion.
if you say a new manager is no guarantee , well how do you guarantee Ardley will get us promotion.
I see a relegation campaign and a failed promotion campaign as the evidence I need to say he wont.
Ardley has been here two plus seasons and we are no better.
We are in a piss pot league and have never seriously chased the Automatic promotion spot.
currently we are 5th with the possibility of dropping 7th or 8th if the teams below win their games in hand, if we end up there do you think this is credible ?( if so how and why)
In a league where there are around ten credible clubs , why are we never the pace setters , why are we just hanging on in there trying to scrape a play off spot ?
your judging the capabilities of our manager in a piss pot league and we are struggling to attain a promotion place.
You say " look where we are now"
We are where we are due to Ardley , yet you still want him in charge ? Madness...
PS
By your Logic ,do you think we should still have Fullerton in charge then ??

[WarsopPie]

Hopefully Burton will do us a favour and approach Notts for Ardley, although miracles don’t seem to happen at Notts.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Hopefully Burton will do us a favour and approach Notts for Ardley, although miracles don’t seem to happen at Notts.

I hope so he will suit them.
A small fish in a big pond , his negative tactics trying to grind out a draw but sneak a win would suit them down to the ground.
his mentality will be welcomed has survival is their aim , not promotion or pressing for a play off spot
please Burton .....Have Him !!!

[LaxtonLad]

Speculating whether Ardley will take us up this season, think based on the evidense so far, automatic is ruled out already, so we have to go for the lottery of play offs, again based on current evidense, with our poor starts, and inability to finish teams off unlikely we will win
AS for having a centre forward , Ardley should have known this was a weakness in our squad having been at the club for 2 years, Dennis went and was not replaced, Roberts is injured, mind you we had both for the play off match against Harragate and was still trounced

Re the loss against Harrogate; did we lose because Ardley's tactics weren't good enough or because the players he signed weren't good enough?

[optipez]

I hope so he will suit them.
A small fish in a big pond , his negative tactics trying to grind out a draw but sneak a win would suit them down to the ground.
his mentality will be welcomed has survival is their aim , not promotion or pressing for a play off spot
please Burton .....Have Him !!!

I wish we had been as well run and successful as Burton have been this last decade.
You always write with an absolute certainty that whoever replaces Ardley will be better. That's far from guaranteed, Ardley's CV would read a lot better than most of the candidates we would end up replacing him with.

[ancientpie]

I wish we had been as well run and successful as Burton have been this last decade.
You always write with an absolute certainty that whoever replaces Ardley will be better. That's far from guaranteed, Ardley's CV would read a lot better than most of the candidates we would end up replacing him with.

That's what I have been saying for ages, if our owners decide that a change is required I hope that they do as our neighbours did ( both Forest & Stags imo) & approach a "better" candidate before they pull the trigger. If they, like our previous owners, go down the route of asking for applicants with no idea who might apply, holding interviews, making shortlists & then picking from a bad bunch I honestly fear the worst. I know that some on here would argue that we couldn't get any worse but I believe that we were struggling to get decent applicants when we were in the league (especially with our hire em & fire em reputation) & see no reason why things will be improved by our current status. COYP

[laddo]

As I explained ,
If we get rid now we will improve our chances of getting promotion next season.
The chance to work and assess the current squad , and then add to it during the summer where they have identified positions they would class as weak.
if they got us promoted this season it would be a bonus.
Ardley is taking us nowhere ,
He is at best treading water, haven't we learnt anything form his 2 and a bit seasons in charge ?
I have and I think the owners should have by now,
if he's contracted to the end of the season then wouldn't that only be 5 months contract they would have to cough up ?
a cheap price to pay to increase our chances of promotion I would say

A lot of that makes sense Pedro if we make the big assumption that the next manager is a good one. Let's not forget our record as a club of picking good managers is questionable at best. That's being generous.

If we did replace NA now then I agree it gives the new manager time to properly assess the squad, identify weaknesses and sign the players he wants plus it would increase the chances of promotion next season.

However, the big problem is the fans on here simply wouldn't give the new manager time to do the above. If he came in now and failed to get us promoted this season and 14 games into the next we are in a similar position with the new manager shine faded into the distance. The #angrymob would be asking for change. Need a new manager, this guy is taking us nowhere etc. We've seen it many many times before.

Maybe things would be different under the current owners (I truly hope they are) but history tells us all that our past owners nor NCM usual suspects give the manager long enough to implement their plan.

Therein lies the problem, patience we don't have, time we don't give.

[laddo]

Re the loss against Harrogate; did we lose because Ardley's tactics weren't good enough or because the players he signed weren't good enough?

Are they the only two options LL? Why can't it ever be that a player or players just didn't perform on the day? Didn't follow instructions?

[Biker9999]

I would get rid of Ardley now as the chances of promotion already seem limited either through team underperformance or the season being curtailed due to Covid. Relegation with this squad whoever is the manager seems unlikely. The new man then has a chance to get himself, the team and some new players sorted and move on the unwanted ones. This would give him a real chance of building an automatic promotion challenging side with a good build up to a new season. If the owners wait untill Ardley fails to get promotion possibly right at the end of the season the new man has very little time to recruit and organise a new squad, it would also prevent Aedley bringing in new players in the coming weeks on long term contracts who the new man is stuck with and doesn't want. Delay now and we will repeat the mistakes of the past i.e new season, new manager, new players, new tactics and no time to bring it all together equals poor start to the season and we play catchup the rest of the year.

[LaxtonLad]

Of course they didn't perform on the day - we were outplayed, were basically crap and lost.

As for 'didn't follow instructions'. This is Ardley's usual go-to excuse for a poor showing resulting in a loss and it's wearing a bit thin as he still picks the same players who let him (and us) down previously. Does nothing sink in during the training sessions? Perhaps the instructions are too deep for the players at our level or is the 'instructor' the root cause and unfit for purpose?