What the game showed me today....like I didn;t allready know

[pjace]

We will be lucky to 6 points from the next 5 games...

4 are away Eastleigh ,Yeovil,Solihull and Weymouth with Torquay at home i'd be happy with 8 or 9

[i961pie]

Although we should be doing much better and I am not a big fan of Ardley and his tactics it would probably be a waste of money to sack him now and bring in a new man. The way things are going I can't see this season being completed, might as well let his contract run down and not renew it.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

A lot of that makes sense Pedro if we make the big assumption that the next manager is a good one. Let's not forget our record as a club of picking good managers is questionable at best. That's being generous.

If we did replace NA now then I agree it gives the new manager time to properly assess the squad, identify weaknesses and sign the players he wants plus it would increase the chances of promotion next season.

However, the big problem is the fans on here simply wouldn't give the new manager time to do the above. If he came in now and failed to get us promoted this season and 14 games into the next we are in a similar position with the new manager shine faded into the distance. The #angrymob would be asking for change. Need a new manager, this guy is taking us nowhere etc. We've seen it many many times before.

Maybe things would be different under the current owners (I truly hope they are) but history tells us all that our past owners nor NCM usual suspects give the manager long enough to implement their plan.

Therein lies the problem, patience we don't have, time we don't give.

Obviously I disagree with you.
I think after our previous experiences with managers we as fans realise there is a period of time for managers bedding in and improving squads and implementing their favoured tactics.
I have faith in the owners doing their homework and finding a suitable replacement.
In this league ,even with a poor manager (as proven already) we should not be in danger of being relegated.
As I have said before there are only 10 to 12 credible teams in this league , so we could bed a new manager in without troublin a relegation spot..

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I wish we had been as well run and successful as Burton have been this last decade.
You always write with an absolute certainty that whoever replaces Ardley will be better. That's far from guaranteed, Ardley's CV would read a lot better than most of the candidates we would end up replacing him with.

Why do you automatically think there won't be a better candidate??
It must be Ardleys outstanding record since hes been with us.
Relegation and failed promotion attempt, failing to beat teams like mighty Harrogate and Barrow, and currently falling short to the mighty Torquays and Suttons of this world..
Yes Burton are a well run club but they are still a small fish in a big pond.xxx

[nw6pie]

Although we should be doing much better and I am not a big fan of Ardley and his tactics it would probably be a waste of money to sack him now and bring in a new man. The way things are going I can't see this season being completed, might as well let his contract run down and not renew it.

With the vaccine about to roll out, we are hopefully going to see a return to some kind of normality by the spring. Who knows what's going to happen between now and April, though, so the PPG league is probably going to be the one that matters at the end of the season.

Our inconsistency is not helping us there (to put it mildly), but if we can get Cal Roberts fit, Wes Thomas comes back - or, if his problems persist, is replaced - and if we finally replace Casper Sloth in midfield (it's time to send the Wolfe Man back - 20 minutes' league action is an admission from Ardley that he doesn't see him as a suitable replacement), maybe we can put a string of WWWWs together like we did last season. That, ultimately, is what put a gloss on a season that at a similar stage looked very similar to this one in terms of underperforming.

We definitely need to invest in a couple of players this month if possible, because on paper this was the "easiest" season to get out of the NL - no league sides relegated and we still had the cushion of the second parachute payment. It's only going to get harder next season.

Others may disagree, but I still don't think we're as strong as we were last season. As of now, which of our summer signings can be termed a success? Reeves should be Doyle's replacement, but Ardley would never drop the latter so we have two similar players who the manager shoehorns into the team by playing two holding midfielders. Sam and Chicksen are unproven, and while Ruben shows real promise, we still haven't given him 90 minutes or found the right role to get the best out of him.

That also highlights the fact that we haven't found a formation that the team consistently plays well in for 90 minutes. The best performances have come with a 4-2-3-1, but that only works if Wootton can hold the ball up and bring others around him into play - something the opposition are now wise to (given that many teams seem to go with a 3-5-2 in this league, they're never short of burly central defenders to mark him).

Tough month ahead, but for me we've got to be looking at 12 points (including beating Torquay) if we want to have any hope of at least making the second or third spot this season. For comparison's sake, we only took 7 points from the last 5 games - and 4 of those were at home. We also scored just twice (and conceded twice) in those 5 games.

[laddo]

Obviously I disagree with you.
I think after our previous experiences with managers we as fans realise there is a period of time for managers bedding in and improving squads and implementing their favoured tactics.
I have faith in the owners doing their homework and finding a suitable replacement.
In this league ,even with a poor manager (as proven already) we should not be in danger of being relegated.
As I have said before there are only 10 to 12 credible teams in this league , so we could bed a new manager in without troublin a relegation spot..

Hold on. Wait a minite. Stop!

Let me get this right you think NCM gives managers time, lets them bed in, sign players, and implement tactics and a plan??

I don't think there are enough lol , haha or available to respond to that statement appropriately.

Where have you been for the last 15+ years? Patience? That's the last thing NCM has.

That's made my New Year's Eve before a drop of alcohol has been had this evening.

Thanks Pedro

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Hold on. Wait a minite. Stop!

Let me get this right you think NCM gives managers time, lets them bed in, sign players, and implement tactics and a plan??

I don't think there are enough lol , haha or available to respond to that statement appropriately.

Where have you been for the last 15+ years? Patience? That's the last thing NCM has.

That's made my New Year's Eve before a drop of alcohol has been had this evening.

Thanks Pedro

Oh dear laddo!
Since when has NCM ever dictated who is selected as the manager for the club and never mind dictate its policies?
If you haven't noticed NCM Is a selection of fans,Good,bad,ugly ,witty, intelligent,ridiculous,muppets heroes villains,sometimes outrageous and outraged, and incisive and informative all voicing their opinions.
I'm not sure where you fit into these categories but I'm going to say muppet.
May I have the honour of now calling you Miss Piggy.?
So miss piggy
Why were you refering to 15 years.
Stop the press,hold the front page,I'm on about the here and now.
Out of interest,apart from Fullerton and possibly Nolan,which managers had a campaign for them to be sacked?
I believe every notts fan has learnt a lesson from the Hardy and Trew regimes with regards to their hire and fire them policies and is intelligent enough to realise managers need a limited amount of time introduce their style and stamp their authority on a team which includes assembling their own squad.
Obviously your last statement suggests different.
Happy new year miss piggy xxxxxx!

[laddo]

Morning Ken,

Call me whatever you like, just make sure it's not too nasty, play nice.

I think amongst all those words you somewhere confirmed that NCM has patience. It's a late Christmas present, thank you

"I believe every notts fan has learnt a lesson from the Hardy and Trew regimes with regards to their hire and fire them policies and is intelligent enough to realise managers need a limited amount of time introduce their style and stamp their authority on a team which includes assembling their own squad."

Every Notts fan??? That is one huge leap of faith there lol. That sir is a keeper and needs framing.

Since debuting in NCM back in 2003 manager out threads have been common place and plentiful. Take your pick, you've got plenty to choose from.

Although not a huge surprise with the sheer number of managers we've had since then and our struggles during this time. The one thing football fans in general don't tend to have is patience, Notts fans certainly don't but I part blame the previous owners for their high turnover of managers encouraging the fans to want regular change.
And as we recently established NCM is the more extreme version of the Notts overall fanbase. Lots of grumpy old men in told.

The one thing the overall NCM community doesn't have is patience. We've had some beautiful prime examples this season already maybe you missed them. The Sam Out thread was my personal favourite. Care to comment on that one?

And the kisses are back, good we get the old Pedro and not the dull as dishwater Fake Dr Pedro who's appeared in recent months xx

P.S. What category to you put yourself in?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Morning Ken,

Call me whatever you like, just make sure it's not too nasty, play nice.

I think amongst all those words you somewhere confirmed that NCM has patience. It's a late Christmas present, thank you

"I believe every notts fan has learnt a lesson from the Hardy and Trew regimes with regards to their hire and fire them policies and is intelligent enough to realise managers need a limited amount of time introduce their style and stamp their authority on a team which includes assembling their own squad."

Every Notts fan??? That is one huge leap of faith there lol. That sir is a keeper and needs framing.

Since debuting in NCM back in 2003 manager out threads have been common place and plentiful. Take your pick, you've got plenty to choose from.

Although not a huge surprise with the sheer number of managers we've had since then and our struggles during this time. The one thing football fans in general don't tend to have is patience, Notts fans certainly don't but I part blame the previous owners for their high turnover of managers encouraging the fans to want regular change.
And as we recently established NCM is the more extreme version of the Notts overall fanbase. Lots of grumpy old men in told.

The one thing the overall NCM community doesn't have is patience. We've had some beautiful prime examples this season already maybe you missed them. The Sam Out thread was my personal favourite. Care to comment on that one?

And the kisses are back, good we get the old Pedro and not the dull as dishwater Fake Dr Pedro who's appeared in recent months xx

P.S. What category to you put yourself in?

Morning hot piggy..
Category of genius..
I'm not aware of the Sam out campaign.. unless it was Hector Sam..
Every notts fan...ok I will say the majority are intelligent.
You are proving some are not...xx
Again why are we harking g on about 17 years of pain...managers in and out.im sure I made it quite clear I was referring to recent history regarding Trew and Hardy ownerships and the current tenure of Ardley..
Also I believe I was refering to Notts County fans...not solely NCM as I say NCM doesn't rule the world or even the goings on down at meadow lane.
So by my reckoning you still dont think the average notts fan is intelligent enough to realise a manager needs time to settle in?!
By the way , where did you stand on the Fullerton debacle..?
Using your Ardley logic you must have thought he should have been given more time and patience by the fans?
Merry New Year xxxxxx

[laddo]

Afternoon Ken,

You aren't aware of the "Elisha Sam needs to go" thread on the 26th September? Oh it was a beauty and as you may remember he only joined the club less than a month before#patience.

Go take a look, should bring a smile to your face

It was huge comical leap of faith, and needed amending, thank you for doing so. Patience is in short supply in the world of NCM even less so on Facebook as you are only too aware of Ken.

I don't know what an average Notts fan is tbh impossible to define. What we both do know is that we have examples of fans on NCM who clearly don't realise. They also don't factor in or care about the cost of managerial changes. I guess it keeps things much simpler that way.

No. Fullarton was an insult of an appointment to the fans, never should have been appointed. I hear he has a fantastic PowerPoint skills though.

We have many more examples of managers not being given long enough than ones given far too long. Even the most stubborn of the #angrymob would agree with that.

Have a great NYE and no doubt speak later Kenneth xx