O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[ramAnag]

Let’s not start getting too complacent Andy and Ram. Hopefully our Government will have done a good job of sourcing sufficient vaccines and, IF they have then they’ll deserve the credit...but we’re still the country in Europe with the highest number of cases and deaths and BJ is still the PM who, less than thirty six hours after announcing that all schools were safe, had to announce that they would all be closing as part of an urgently needed national lockdown.

The way I see it we’re reliant much more on a combination of the NHS and local government to ‘get millions of Brits vaccinated’ but hopefully the Government’s procurement skills will greatly outweigh their management and communication efforts.

I’d also love to see an end to this ‘competitive’ aspect. I don’t care if a ninety year old lady from the UK was the first to be jabbed three weeks ago...I’d just like to see a ‘joined up’ World effort to vaccinate as many people as possible across the entire planet.

[ramAnag]

P.S. TORY MP, Robert Halfon...Chair of the Education Committee, on Williamson’s latest ‘U turn’, ‘It’s unbelievably s**t...no idea how he’s still in the job’.

Sacking him won’t bring about an immediate improvement but it might inspire a little more confidence from parents, teachers, students and secondary age pupils if the worst and most deviously inept Cabinet Minister of modern times were to be got rid of.

[Andy_Faber]

Let’s not start getting too complacent Andy and Ram. Hopefully our Government will have done a good job of sourcing sufficient vaccines and, IF they have then they’ll deserve the credit...but we’re still the country in Europe with the highest number of cases and deaths and BJ is still the PM who, less than thirty six hours after announcing that all schools were safe, had to announce that they would all be closing as part of an urgently needed national lockdown.

The way I see it we’re reliant much more on a combination of the NHS and local government to ‘get millions of Brits vaccinated’ but hopefully the Government’s procurement skills will greatly outweigh their management and communication efforts.

I’d also love to see an end to this ‘competitive’ aspect. I don’t care if a ninety year old lady from the UK was the first to be jabbed three weeks ago...I’d just like to see a ‘joined up’ World effort to vaccinate as many people as possible across the entire planet.

We’ll have to agree to differ on all of that rA, especially your come what May downer on all things HMG. Regretably for your idealist principles everything’s gone a bit nationalistic now our collective cocks are on the block and on this occasion my nation is ahead of the game and bloody great. My mums getting her jab on Saturday and if that is to the exclusion of someone unknown somewhere else in the world, so be it, not that I begrudge anyone their dose

[swaledale]

We’ll have to agree to differ on all of that rA, especially your come what May downer on all things HMG. Regretably for your idealist principles everything’s gone a bit nationalistic now our collective cocks are on the block and on this occasion my nation is ahead of the game and bloody great. My mums getting her jab on Saturday and if that is to the exclusion of someone unknown somewhere else in the world, so be it, not that I begrudge anyone their dose

Ah yes the "Little Englander" syndrome, everything hasn't gone a bit nationalistic now actually, this Government knows the right dog whistle which will conveniently make the proles forget about the previous cock ups and prostrate themselves gratefully.

I knew that most discussions on here were with posters whose knowledge and understanding of reality was sketchy at best, but are you really that desperate to find something to come up with something illustrate this government isn't a bunch of incompetent tossers?

[MadAmster]

Getting the doses is the easy bit, IMO. The hard part is the logistics of delivering them to the point of injection.

Here's a novel idea. Why not employ a logistics expert or experts to plan, run and oversee the process?

[ramAnag]

We’ll have to agree to differ on all of that rA, especially your come what May downer on all things HMG. Regretably for your idealist principles everything’s gone a bit nationalistic now our collective cocks are on the block and on this occasion my nation is ahead of the game and bloody great. My mums getting her jab on Saturday and if that is to the exclusion of someone unknown somewhere else in the world, so be it, not that I begrudge anyone their dose

I don’t think you read what I wrote, Andy. I did say IF they deliver, all credit to them, but Johnson’s already backtracking and they’re already talking about delivering the vaccine in a way the manufacturers don’t necessarily approve of.

I want this Government to succeed in the vaccination process as much as you do and I’m genuinely glad for your Mum, but the way forward is is for a united Worldwide effort not nationalistic selfishness and tub thumping. If that’s ‘idealistic’ then it’s probably an indictment of the current state of humanity...where’s your man JC when we need him.

[swaledale]

I don’t think you read what I wrote, Andy. I did say IF they deliver, all credit to them, but Johnson’s already backtracking and they’re already talking about delivering the vaccine in a way the manufacturers don’t necessarily approve of.

I want this Government to succeed in the vaccination process as much as you do and I’m genuinely glad for your Mum, but the way forward is is for a united Worldwide effort not nationalistic selfishness and tub thumping. If that’s ‘idealistic’ then it’s probably an indictment of the current state of humanity...where’s your man JC when we need him.

I'd say it has always been the state of humanity rA and people are either too lazy, too self obsessed or simply too stupid to recognise it. Anybody who has the temerity to suggest that there could be a different approach is dismissed as an idealist.

That of course is the lazy approach of people who seem to be unaware that much of what they enjoy in life today, be they vaccines, the health service, better wages, better working conditions, the right to free speech, better safety, have all been achieved by people who were idealists.

Of course ideals are not always fully attainable, but if there isn't the vision or the ideal then very little will be achieved.

Sadly to the simplistic mind, nationalistic tub thumping will always be attractive.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Let’s not start getting too complacent Andy and Ram. Hopefully our Government will have done a good job of sourcing sufficient vaccines and, IF they have then they’ll deserve the credit...but we’re still the country in Europe with the highest number of cases and deaths and BJ is still the PM who, less than thirty six hours after announcing that all schools were safe, had to announce that they would all be closing as part of an urgently needed national lockdown.

The way I see it we’re reliant much more on a combination of the NHS and local government to ‘get millions of Brits vaccinated’ but hopefully the Government’s procurement skills will greatly outweigh their management and communication efforts.

I’d also love to see an end to this ‘competitive’ aspect. I don’t care if a ninety year old lady from the UK was the first to be jabbed three weeks ago...I’d just like to see a ‘joined up’ World effort to vaccinate as many people as possible across the entire planet.

For a minute there I thought this was a positive note, but the positivism soon turned sour and the post reverted to type.

A world vision? Long term perhaps as the pandemic will still threaten if it could survive in pockets of unvaccinated areas. But, not unlike your desire to prioritise everyone in the UK for one reason or another, this is just pure idealism. FFS if we can't prioritise 60m to your satisfaction, how are we going to do 7 billion.

Sorry but I'm with Andy. I'll be sel centred and grab what is on offer and not be concerned about an Indonesian fisherman who hasn't had a shot.

Here's the challenge for you. When you and Mrs rA are offered the vaccine, will you say no and ask for it to be given to two elderly Indian care workers in Bengaluru? I imagine idealism, like charity, begins at home

[ramAnag]

For a minute there I thought this was a positive note, but the positivism soon turned sour and the post reverted to type.

A world vision? Long term perhaps as the pandemic will still threaten if it could survive in pockets of unvaccinated areas. But, not unlike your desire to prioritise everyone in the UK for one reason or another, this is just pure idealism. FFS if we can't prioritise 60m to your satisfaction, how are we going to do 7 billion.

Sorry but I'm with Andy. I'll be sel centred and grab what is on offer and not be concerned about an Indonesian fisherman who hasn't had a shot.

Here's the challenge for you. When you and Mrs rA are offered the vaccine, will you say no and ask for it to be given to two elderly Indian care workers in Bengaluru? I imagine idealism, like charity, begins at home

Oh for goodness sake. When have I ever suggested a ‘desire to prioritise everyone in the UK for one reason or another’?
I suggested that teachers should be up there at the front of the queue if we wanted to keep schools open and that CONSIDERATION might be given to pupils who obviously play a large part in spreading the virus.
You, as ever, mocked and guess what? All the schools are now shut!
The same is true now of those ‘delivering’ the vaccines into the arms of the elderly...they may be superficially less vulnerable but if they fall ill vaccination centres will be shut too so prioritising the vaccinators is essential imo.

Of course I’m not going to suggest that Mrs rA and I give up our vaccines in favour of two ‘Indian care workers’...which bit of being genuinely pleased for Andy’s Mum did you miss? I am however sick and tired of this ‘we were first mentality’...it’s nothing but a publicity stunt and yes...I’ll be just as pleased to hear about some elderly German or Spanish acquaintances receiving the vaccine as I will about you and Andy’s mothers...it’s not a competition.

[AdiSalisbury]

Ah yes the "Little Englander" syndrome, everything hasn't gone a bit nationalistic now actually, this Government knows the right dog whistle which will conveniently make the proles forget about the previous cock ups and prostrate themselves gratefully.

I knew that most discussions on here were with posters whose knowledge and understanding of reality was sketchy at best, but are you really that desperate to find something to come up with something illustrate this government isn't a bunch of incompetent tossers?

Ah yes, the "Little Swaler" syndrome, everything hasn't gone a bit Swalelistic now actually, this ego knows the right dog whistle which will conveniently make the proles forget about the previous Swaloids and prostrate himself gratefully.