O/T Most tiresome poster

[magpie_mania]

I'm not 'pro-Ardley' per se but I'm open to giving him time as I feel he's doing a decent job. Not spectacular but certainly not bad. If I had to choose a label or pigeonhole to be 'pro' something I'd say I was 'pro-stability for Notts' which involves not changing the manager more frequently than changing your underpants, as had become the embarrassing pattern previously which has ultimately ended up with us in Division 5 (In conjunction with other issues obviously, such as AH).

ETA: Incidentally, I think the 'people that got Nolan sacked' were mainly Kevin Nolan.

Sorry, but if you post anything that gives even a hint of anything positive about him, you are pro-Ardley.

[upthemaggies]

I'm not 'pro-Ardley' per se but I'm open to giving him time as I feel he's doing a decent job. Not spectacular but certainly not bad. If I had to choose a label or pigeonhole to be 'pro' something I'd say I was 'pro-stability for Notts' which involves not changing the manager more frequently than changing your underpants, as had become the embarrassing pattern previousy which has ultimately ended up with us in Division 5.

Kewell aside, who was effectively a caretaker for the time he lasted, the past 4 years has been among the most stable at Notts in terms of managers post Sirrel, and yet we're now stuck at the lowest level we've ever been.

What if a manager was poached half way or two thirds of a way through the season and the club still went up? That's not stability but it would be the preferable option, given the choice.

You can stabalise and do poorly, as we did with McP until Munto came in and then sacked him.

It's a meaningless buzzword devoid of any context. Successful clubs at lower levels will often struggle to hang on to their manager. Wishing for stability is just as likely a wish for mediocrity. You want stability in the boardroom but where it matters you want to uproot trees and make things happen. I don't see Ardley doing that, he's too nice to do that. The biggest problem I have with him is that he is a nice person, I'd feel much more confident about Notts going up if we had somebody who was a bit of a ****.

[Ayeayeskipper]

I know that. I don't actually care! Just can't see why you have to be abusive.

"I don't actually care". Now, that hurt......go away please.

[SwalePie]

Kewell aside, who was effectively a caretaker for the time he lasted, the past 4 years has been among the most stable at Notts in terms of managers post Sirrel, and yet we're now stuck at the lowest level we've ever been.

What if a manager was poached half way or two thirds of a way through the season and the club still went up? That's not stability but it would be the preferable option, given the choice.

You can stabalise and do poorly, as we did with McP until Munto came in and then sacked him.

It's a meaningless buzzword devoid of any context. Successful clubs at lower levels will often struggle to hang on to their manager. Wishing for stability is just as likely a wish for mediocrity. You want stability in the boardroom but where it matters you want to uproot trees and make things happen. I don't see Ardley doing that, he's too nice to do that. The biggest problem I have with him is that he is a nice person, I'd feel much more confident about Notts going up if we had somebody who was a bit of a ****.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree then. Not a common position on here of course!

[matt_magpie]

Probably neither, as I think the context was explained in post #14. The reason I'm butting in here is that I once said something similar on another Notts board. As I recall, someone had made a comment that was blatantly stupid, and I said "anyone who agrees with that should be sectioned". It was just a throwaway comment on my part at the time, but it upset someone who was dealing with mental health issues. I accepted that my choice of words was poor and tried to learn from it, but I really didn't mean to offend anyone.

A bit harsh to say that people like me got Nolan sacked...was I glad he got sacked? Absolutely, but it was a mixture of ineptitude, unprofessionalism, terrible football, and even worse results that saw the back of him, not my ‘lack of support’ so to speak. When he was in charge I ended up not going as a vote of no confidence in him or his methods, I didn’t stand behind him shouting insults.

Granted, he managed to motivate a team when they were at a low ebb but he soon lost momentum and then continued on a slow decline until the inevitable happened. I don’t wish him harm, I just wish to never see him, or a manager with a similar approach, manage Notts again!

As for Laddo, I think he makes the most valid and logical arguments against the other protagonists on here...he should probably refrain from making them just so frequently against the people who I think are probably just trolling himself but that’s his prerogative.

Agree, I can’t get my head around people slagging off our style of play now. What Nolan served up was absolutely awful, probably the worse football I have ever seen anywhere never mind Notts, just launching it for 90 minutes hoping Yates and Grant would pick up the scraps. I actually agree with most of what Laddo says but he also takes the opportunity to add a bit extra to bait a couple and they always bite :-)

[countygump]

Kewell aside, who was effectively a caretaker for the time he lasted, the past 4 years has been among the most stable at Notts in terms of managers post Sirrel, and yet we're now stuck at the lowest level we've ever been.

What if a manager was poached half way or two thirds of a way through the season and the club still went up? That's not stability but it would be the preferable option, given the choice.

You can stabalise and do poorly, as we did with McP until Munto came in and then sacked him.

It's a meaningless buzzword devoid of any context. Successful clubs at lower levels will often struggle to hang on to their manager. Wishing for stability is just as likely a wish for mediocrity. You want stability in the boardroom but where it matters you want to uproot trees and make things happen. I don't see Ardley doing that, he's too nice to do that. The biggest problem I have with him is that he is a nice person, I'd feel much more confident about Notts going up if we had somebody who was a bit of a ****.

Good post, UTM. ***

[laddo]

It would be great if we had a manager poached away from us from a club in higher division because that would mean we were doing something right, we were being successful.

Obviously Chelsea wanted Warnock. Bolton wanted and got Allardyce. Who since Big Sam? Clearly our best two managers in the last 30 years.

I would love it if we became managerial unstable for positive reasons instead of the actual reasons we've seen far too often. History shows us all that changing managers so often hasn't and doesn't work. We've tried that trick far too often.

Without doubt you can stabilise and be poor. It's wasted time if you just stick with someone for the sake of it.

One of our problems has been is we haven't given enough managers enough time to find out if they are good or not.

[upthemaggies]

A fact that I don't think has been pointed out on here before. Allardyce, Warnock, Sirrel, Frank Hill and Eric Houghton all got Notts promoted in their first full season in charge. The only other post war promotion was Munto, the most unstable season of all time.

Horace Henshall (1927-1934) is the only manger we ever stuck with that won a promotion after his first full season and that only came after he'd got us relegated beforehand and we ended up no better off.

Stability has never worked at Notts unless the manager has proved himself within 18 months.

Fullarton would get Notts promoted from this level given an indefinite amount of time, but then what?

[Killerkline]

Kewell aside, who was effectively a caretaker for the time he lasted, the past 4 years has been among the most stable at Notts in terms of managers post Sirrel, and yet we're now stuck at the lowest level we've ever been.

What if a manager was poached half way or two thirds of a way through the season and the club still went up? That's not stability but it would be the preferable option, given the choice.

You can stabalise and do poorly, as we did with McP until Munto came in and then sacked him.

It's a meaningless buzzword devoid of any context. Successful clubs at lower levels will often struggle to hang on to their manager. Wishing for stability is just as likely a wish for mediocrity. You want stability in the boardroom but where it matters you want to uproot trees and make things happen. I don't see Ardley doing that, he's too nice to do that. The biggest problem I have with him is that he is a nice person, I'd feel much more confident about Notts going up if we had somebody who was a bit of a ****.

Context definitely required.

For the past 18 months we’ve been stable. Prior to that, be it managerial or ownership, we’ve been anything but stable. This has massively contributed to our current standing in the football pyramid.

In terms of Ardley, we don’t know if he’s too nice? We see the image he portrays in the media, but it doesn’t mean he’s nice on the training ground. He may well be nice, but we don’t know.

For the record, I’m not pro Ardley. Like many others and pro Notts and I sincerely hope Ardley delivers.

[Bartlett's Dust]

Going back a few years but KISSOFDEATH was pretty damn annoying. But then he was a Forrist fan so he clearly had issues anyway.