Yet more lies perpetuating panic

[Taintedice]

How can you possibly know what I claim if you have me 'on ignore'?

Strange thing about both RRoS and me, we have minds of our own and we form our own opinions and they're not always the same. Difference is we don't resort to name calling if we disagree.

I read your posts and reply to them at my leisure rather than having a tsunami of covid conspiracy wash me away, it's a free country, remember

Do you disagree with rros then over his claims that Sweden has 50% herd immunity which would involve 2.5m Swedes being infected even though only 500k have tested positive?

[Returnofrros]

NOw you know that will not be true. There will be some mathematical formulae behind the calculations. The point is its all surrounded with assumptions and they are the bits that can be debated. Wish there was someone who could explain what maths and assumptions are being made to support the calculation of the r number. Its the lack of clarity and the chopping and changing the figures into percentages, so many per thousand etc that irritates me

Prof Carl Henegan on talk radio tomorrow morning b cram.......another well worth ten mins listening to.

JHB breakfast show

[BCram]

Taintedice, it is quite possible for Sweden to have both 50% of the population infected and only 500k tested positive. If the total tested was 1m and half of them testedpositive surely it is reasonable to assume that this figure is a good indication of the general level of infection within the Swedish population.

[Deeranged]

I read your posts and reply to them at my leisure rather than having a tsunami of covid conspiracy wash me away, it's a free country, remember

Do you disagree with rros then over his claims that Sweden has 50% herd immunity which would involve 2.5m Swedes being infected even though only 500k have tested positive?

I read most posts, I reply to them at my leisure and if I have something to contribute to the discussion. I haven't read up on how Sweden has dealt with and is dealing with its Covid situation. To be honest I don't care, all I care about is getting this country back to normal ASAP.

Once that's done the SNP, not Sturgeon she needs to go because she's as corrupt as Salmond, needs to capitalise on the incompetence of Johnston and get independence sorted.

[Returnofrros]

Prof Carl Henegan on talk radio tomorrow morning b cram.......another well worth ten mins listening to.

JHB breakfast show

8am

[Taintedice]

Taintedice
As you seem to be an expert on every topic discussed on this board I look forward to you telling us how many people have died solely from the Covid-19 virus in hospitals throughout Scotland since the start of the lockdown on 23rd March 2020 until 31st December 2020 inclusive.

I know very little about the struggles of diehard unionists on the Isle of Islay under the SNP junta, apart from what you tell us all.

No-one has died solely from the covid-19 virus, is the right answer.

[Taintedice]

Taintedice, it is quite possible for Sweden to have both 50% of the population infected and only 500k tested positive. If the total tested was 1m and half of them testedpositive surely it is reasonable to assume that this figure is a good indication of the general level of infection within the Swedish population.

Indeed it is, I never said it wasn't. I was just comparing how mass infection in Sweden would appear to be a good thing, but in the UK, it's all lies used to keep control over the population. I wouldn't agree with your last sentence though, Swedes have been self-isolating on a voluntary basis for months, they've avoided large crowds, wear masks, it is not the free-for-all some would have you believe. 5m people being infected is not really plausible when latest data from Sweden shows single digit percentages of those being tested are testing positive.

[Taintedice]

However Nicola and the dentist are giving the impression that all the people who have died in Scotland have died solely from the Covid-19 virus which is a lot of nonsense.

agreed. they all had a covid positive test then met a really freakish accidental death, mostly death by 1B, or fell down the stairs etc.

[Deeranged]

agreed. they all had a covid positive test then met a really freakish accidental death, mostly death by 1B, or fell down the stairs etc.

I'd imagine most were individuals with an underlying condition many of whom tested positive within the previous 28 days and who died of the underlying condition with Covid-19 as a possible contributory factor. Obviously some will also have fallen victim to unfortunate accidents, unexpected strokes, heart attacks etc.

The drum I keep banging is related to the presentation of numbers designed solely to play on people's emotions, a bit like the nurse crying on the news after a shift where she only managed to walk away from her work station three times - twice for tik tok videos and once to clap a 'brave Covid survivor' (which was filmed for TV of course). I want relevant percentages - what percentage of the test numbers we're given were people presenting for a test having shown symptoms and what percentage of them tested positive? What percentage of positive tests end up in hospital? ICU? Morgue? What's the percentage increase in total deaths by all causes between the start of the breakout and now compared to the average over the last five years? Of the hundreds of thousands of tests what percentage are discrete individuals and how many are repeats on NHS staff etc? These things will tell us how much real effect this Covid is having.

I'm not a Covid denier or Covidiot like you tend to call anyone that disagrees with you, I just like to know the facts and we're not being given relevant ones.

Instead we're told the death toll reached 100,000 in the UK (sold as directly caused by Covid, but not) accompanied by sombre music and 'tributes to the dead' on the BBC. Does anyone remember back in the Soviet Union days TASS would go off air and only play sombre music as a way of telling people the president had died of alcohol poisoning? We're now seeing the state controlled BBC behave exactly like TASS.

[grantzer]

Ok,let's take that figure of 100k dead. Now I will be extremely generous,and say that half of them were hit by a bus/had a heart attack/drowned/died of old age, or whatever other possible reason.

That still leaves 50 thousand people in the UK that would still be alive if not for covid.

That's 50,000 families. Do you want to tell those families they are grieving for someone to present a statistic to scare the public?

And if it is the case that numbers are being used falsely,what's the reason behind that? What does anyone have to gain from presenting numbers in that way?

I find it hard to believe even Boris and his chums would intentionally mislead the public just for shiggles.

You could almost make a case for misrepresentation to scare the public into following the advice given around the virus,but 50k probably works as well as 100k, so again,if it is all lies,who gains from those lies?